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> From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Date: 11/7/2005 4:25:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Torah & Jewish traditions
>
> cd:
> > I see them as linked together in both spiritual and phyical-
> > I agree that the swine was refering to gentiles-but there is
> > also a value in the phyical act of not eating pork -
> > it can kill if not cook complety-the fat content (saturated)
> > can lead to heart attackes-the parasites that infest this meat
> > is deadly...ect. Consider viewing this as different levels of
> > truth ?
>
> I do not believe that any increased health risks have been established
for
> those who eat non-kosher foods. I do not believe that the teachings of
> Torah about kosher eating has anything to do with physical health
reasons.
> The value in physically abstaining from pork and other non-kosher foods
is
> not in any physical health benefits, but in the spiritual principles
which they shadow.
cd*: While I agree with you on the spiritual there does remain a phyical
health aspect of holding the spiritual-Feed a dog pork without cooking
it and you will see the bad results. Eating a lot of shrimp can lead to
cancer. The offered sacrifices had to be cooked and the blood drained as
God directed in the torah-there are many blood born diseases David. The
spirual and phyical are linked.
>
> On my second trip to Israel, I shared Passover in the home of a Jewish
> family. The practice of purging out the leaven has a profound effect
upon
> the conscience. The hotels and restraurants are all seen scrubbing and
> cleaning all their pots and equipment from top to bottom to make sure all
> traces of leaven are gone. Those with cars vacuum them and wash them
> thoroughly to make sure not a speck of bread is hidden in the car
somewhere,
> in the carpet or between the seats. It was amazing to see the extent to
> which leaven is purged. Now for me, this practice had a profound message
> about holiness. Why? Because I understand that idea that when Torah
talks
> about purging leaven, it is really talking about purging out every trace
of
> sin when you come to Christ and partake of the Lamb of God. When I
> explained to my Jewish friends how we Christians view this act of purging
> leaven.... well, you should have seen how big his eyes got. He had never
> heard a Christian explain why he purged out the leaven every year for a
> whole week. The meaning of it, however, made a lot of sense to him.
cd*: If one is to purge "out every trace of sin" why would you hold the
sabbath in a low reguard? We need the spiritual rest to reflect upon
heaven/God and the phyical rest for our bodies.
>
> cd wrote:
> > How can one keep the sabbath spiritual and not do it phyical?
>
> Easy. Read Hebrews 4.
cd*: I see a warning of not falling away and those that do will not enter
His rest due to a hard heart. Warning against sin as God sees all. Our
Great High Priest will help us who can sympathize with our weakness-so we
need to draw near. David I believe you need to be more specific-where in
Hebrew 4 does ti state we can keep the sabbath as a spiritual day of rest
but not a phyical day of rest.
>
> CD wrote:
> > Doesn't her phyical act of disabedience effect yours
> > -and hers- spiritual rest? The point is both are linked.
>
> Yes, they are linked.
>
> CD wrote:
> > The torah places much value on the sabbath-and not
> > once did Jesus break the sabbath nor did Paul
> > (ie. he claimed to be:" blamless under the law")
>
> Jesus may not have broken the Sabbath according to your standards, but
there
> were Torah observant Jews who believed that he and his disciples had
broken
> the Sabbath laws. This was one of their favorite accusations against
them.
> Jesus evidently was a liberal in regards to the traditions in place
> concerning Sabbath observance.
Cd*: I get accused of sin often while on the streets but that does not
make it true. It is as if they can find fault in me the they can justifly
thier many sins-but I do not dance to their music and nor did Jesus or Paul
(ie. Blamless under the law). The fact remains that Jesus had no sin upon
Him-including His keeping of the Sabbath. He instructed those who would
hear that there are things one must do on the sabbath such as works of
piety-preaching-and other things that cannot be done another day and must
be done on the Sabbath (ie. Friday beginning at dusk[evening] to Saturaday
ending at dusk[evening]). It is a commandment after all and I see no
"liberal" reason to ignor the sabbath law-Both Christ and Paul were
preaching/going to the synagogues on the sabbath (ie.see Bible:-).
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.
>
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