Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!

Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:43:28 -0800

Remember Colossians refers to the "Risen Christ" - We could not be complete in Him before the cross and New Birth.
During his time of earthly ministry he layed it all aside (as per Phil 2:7) and became a servant/man walking after the Spirit
and totally dependent on the will of the Father .... (as an example to us)
 

3. "Fullness" in Ephesians and Colossians:

"Fullness" in Ephesians and Colossians is used to present some of the most prominent thoughts in these epistles, sometimes referring to Christ, sometimes to the church and the individual Christian. Christ is Himself to "fulfill" all things in heaven and on earth (Ephesians 4:10 King James Version margin). We cannot separate "the fullness of Christ" in this passage (Ephesians 4:13) from the statement in Ephesians 1:23, that the Christ is being fulfilled, and finds His fullness in the church. When all the saints have come to the unity which is their destined goal, or in other words, to the full-grown man, the Christ will have been fulfilled. Thus they will have together reached "the full measure of the maturity of the fullness of the Christ" (J. Armitage Robinson, Commentary on Ephesians, 183). The church and individual believers, have, by faith, the full possession of all that Christ has to impart--the grace and comfort and strength of Christ received by them now. Compare John 1:16; 'In him ye are complete, are made full' (Colossians 2:10); that is, the fullness of moral, intellectual and spiritual perfection is communicated by Christ to all who are united to Him. "When as the result of the Holy Spirit's inward strengthening, Christ dwells in the heart, and His knowledge-surpassing love is known, the only limit to spiritual excellence is 'to be filled unto all the fullness of God'!" (HDB, 735).

 
 
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:09:19 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell
 
Col 2:8-9 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I was thinking more along the lines that Christ (the anointed one) is a member of the Godhead rather than
that it all indwelt Him during his earthly ministry - where does the bible teach this?
 
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:46:27 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I was not asking for your Logical reasoning process.
When you lay down your Groceries so you can get your key out of your pocket, do the Groceries again belong to the supermarket?
Let me know when you plan on laying those car keys down I am looking for a new auto.
 
Where does the bible Teach that the Godhead dwells ONLY in the Resurrected Christ?


Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:52:39 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Where does the distinction come from that it is in the resurrected Christ that the Godhead dwells?
Why not the Christ who walkd this earth?
 
Because the Christ who walked this earth layed a lot of things down to become "like" us so that He
could leave us an example that we should "follow in His steps" along with the fact that Colossians
and Philippians are epistles written to the Church and reflect the reality of the resurrection in Christ
as well as in us.  judyt


Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH:  Do you believe that IF you were to see Jesus' face now, you would die?

Judy Taylor wrote:
Yes because it is in the resurrected Christ that the "fullness of the Godhead bodily dwells" and believers are made
complete in Him.  During his earthly ministry Jesus was one with the Father who annointed Him with the fullness of the
Spirit but He was not walking in God's fullness as an independent entity.  jufyt
 
 
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 06:46:09 -0800 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
DAVEH:   Do you believe Jesus is fully God now?

Judy Taylor wrote:
My belief DaveH is that according to scripture the Godhead consists of God the Father, God the Word,
and God the Holy Spirit.  The man Jesus is God the Word who by the eternal Spirit was born into a body of
flesh and blood in the likeness of man.  I have never stated that Jesus during his earthly ministry was "fully
God" because scripture tells us that He (Jesus) layed aside the glory He had with the Father and emptied
Himself so that He might come here as an example for us of how we should walk.  If He came as "fully God"
then being conformed to His Image would be an impossibility for us mere mortals since God is transcendent. 
But He knows our frame.  judyt 
 
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:00:30 -0800 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
DAVEH:   Do you believe Jesus is currently fully God?  I'm rather interested in knowing when you think Jesus became fully God, Judy.  My reason for asking is because I'd like to know if you think there is (or was) ever a time when one could view the face of Jesus and live, rather than die IF they had seen God's face.   Does that make sense, Judy?   I'm just trying to sort out in my mind what and how you perceive God and Jesus being one, and being fully God.  (I think I may be making this question more complicated than necessary....sorry if that's the case.)

Judy Taylor wrote:
Not in the way that you do DaveH, but then my understanding of God the Father differs from yours also
so I'm sure this does not surprise you.  Apart from out and out athiests everyone has a God that
they believe to be the real one and noone will be validated until we stand before Jesus himself and he
tells us which side we are to go to.. 
 
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