Re: [TruthTalk] Lance Mur says: I have a sense of DaveH that he ain't got it in 'em

[Dave]

DAVEH:  Forgive me for intruding on your reply to Lance, Perry.  But it seems appropriate for me to comment on your public comments regarding me. the principle I was taught is that when you offend someone you apologize...even if you didn't mean to, even if you were joking, even if you think they are faking offense, apologizing is the right thing to do. Izzy got it. Kevin got it. Evidently arrogant people don't get it. DAVEH:   If Kevin and other TTers get it, then why do they continue to offend LDS people by waving (both figuratively and literally) their underwear in their faces, Perry?    Evidently some of the street preachers really don't get it. I have not generally maligned the man. DAVEH:  Of course not, Perry.  Let's see.....Who was it that suggested I am Satan's messenger boy?       :-\ It is that has insulted most all on this forum by arrogantly stating that "he is not here to learn the truth, he is here to learn what protestants believe". DAVEH:  Yes, it can be safely said that I am here to learn what Protestants believe....Apparently some Protestants (and non-Ps for that matter) believe it is OK to live by a double standard.  I can see why that would offend those TTers.....it's tough being a hypocrite and having this pointed out, eh Perry.   he has said he is here to learn, but after being told over and over, he fails to learn. DAVEH:  I respectfully disagree with your conclusion, Perry.  You and a few other TTers have taught me well, and I feel it is not only my right, but also my duty to repay you whenever the opportunity presents itself.  That's exactly why I respond as I do.  If you don't quite understand what I am saying, ask yourself why I respond to most other TTers so much differently than I do you and a few other's who feel justified in attacking my beliefs.  If you don't have a clue, ask some of the other TTers who don't have a beam in their eye. he has said he is not here to teach, then has proselytized us with his satan inspired faith DAVEH:   Of course you.....have not generally maligned the man....., 'ave you, Perry. when they have been offended, he has rationalized his behavior, while belittling the offended. DAVEH:   ???   You don't enjoy being belittled, Perry?  Gosh....for a guy who enjoys dishing it out, you sure get awfully sensitive when the shoe is on the other foot.  I thought a guy who likes to play hardball would be a little less whiny when he is taking more strikes than hits. When claims are made about his behavior, his memory is bad, but when he wants to make claims against others, his memory is restored. DAVEH:   LOL.....Look at the logic of what you are saying, Perry.    Yes, my memory is fully restored when I can search for and post the exact quotes to back up my claims, which is something you apparently feel no need to do.  Why do you think it is OK to make a (false) claim and then expect it to stand with absolutely no evidence?  If you want to accuse somebody of something, you'd better be able to back it up with evidence or eat crow, Perry. And, it was HE who changed the subject line of the posts in question to "Izzies Sexual Experiences". DAVEH:  Caught your attention, didn't it!      :-[     It simply amazes me that some TTers can post all kinds of demeaning stuff about me or my beliefs and you simply turn a blind eye to it.  Maybe that's because you participate in such, and fail to recognize it when others do it. He has taken the words of others and intentionally twisted them to mean something else, then posted them. DAVEH:   LOL......In case you haven't figured it out yet, Perry....I'm not one to cry to the moderator (not that it would do much good in this Forum) about other's picking on me, but rather I merely do what you suggested above.    Was it Izzy that at one time suggested, what's good for the goose is good for the gander?  That's right.....I'll admit to reworking the words of some TTers and reposting them to point out their hypocrisy.  Are you feeling a twinge of guilt over that, Perry?  FWIW.....I don't....not one iota.  He is the one who twisted Dean's call for moderation, to suggesting that I might know something of Izzies sexual experiences. HE is the one with the perverse mind. HE is the one who does not know where to draw the line on his so-called humor. And HIS response is an arrogant rationalaztion that it is okay for him to say these things, and for us to be opffended? Perry's subsequent revision:   "and for us to be opffended" should be "but not for us to be offended" DAVEH:   Ask yourself who is really offended by what I posted, Perry.  I suggest that it is the same ones who will be offended by this post....the hypocrites of TT. Charles Perry Locke wrote: Lance, the principle I was taught is that when you offend someone you apologize...even if you didn't mean to, even if you were joking, even if you think they are faking offense, apologizing is the right thing to do. Izzy got it. Kevin got it. Evidently arrogant people don't get it. While I have railed heavily against Dave's faith, I have not generally maligned the man. But, having been given this door of opportunity, let me say how I really feel... It is not that Dave is a mormon. That is an unfortunate coincidence. It is that he has behaved arrogantly. It is that has insulted most all on this forum by arrogantly stating that "he is not here to learn the truth, he is here to learn what protestants believe". It is that he has said he is here to learn, but after being told over and over, he fails to learn. It is that he has said he is not here to teach, then has proselytized us with his satan inspired faith. It is that he levies his often tasteless humor on others, but when they have been offended, he has rationalized his behavior, while belittling the offended.  He has taken the words of others and intentionally twisted them to mean something else, then posted them. When claims are made about his behavior, his memory is bad, but when he wants to make claims against others, his memory is restored. And, it was HE who changed the subject line of the posts in question to "Izzies Sexual Experiences". He is the one who twisted Dean's call for moderation, to suggesting that I might know something of Izzies sexual experiences. HE is the one with the perverse mind. HE is the one who does not know where to draw the line on his so-called humor. And HIS response is an arrogant rationalaztion that it is okay for him to say these things, and for us to be opffended? Back off, Elder Muir! Perry From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Subject: [TruthTalk] Charles Perry Lock says 'A totally arrogant and insensitive reply, IMO' of Dave Hansen Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:53:48 -0500 I have a sense of DaveH that he ain't got it in 'em but, should anyone's door need showin' up at ...well...it's pretty obvious to me who they'd be. He's been spoken to and about with ill intent pretty much daily. As Tom Snyder used to say of people who behave like you guys have..'go to a mirror, look into it and, call yourself...(guess) IMO Perry, you're doing this more because he's a Mormon than because of what he purportedly meant by what he said. Iz rather graciously acknowledged her own participation and, requested that you let this go. Why not do that, Perry? ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.