Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of
Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore
cd: So what is the capital crime?Blasphemy? Better read Titus 1:9-13 Where we are instructed to silence the false teachers by sound doctrine and to rebuke them sharply-not kill them be show they are wrong.
BT: Yes, this is what the bishop-led Church is to do.
cd: So what is the capital crime?Blasphemy? Better read Titus 1:9-13 Where we are instructed to silence the false teachers by sound doctrine and to rebuke them sharply-not kill them be show they are wrong.
BT: Yes, this is what the bishop-led Church is to do.
cd: Hello again Bill :-) From reading this and other posts you sent I assume there are not many Bishop led churches in your area-but a head deacon would also be called a Bishop.
You assume too much, Dean. My point was
that your referral was written in reference to bishops of the Church and not to
civic leaders -- just my way of contextualizing your
argument.
cd: Within the Street Preaching Fellowship
and The Bible Believers there are Bishops-David M. and Kevin D. both are
Bishops, and I held the office for a few years. But the main point I
would like to make is that while Titus 1 is speaking about the office of a
Bishop v.9 is telling him" to hold fast the faithful words as he has been
taught,that he may be able by sound doctrine both to extort and to convince
the gainsayer". This is not only for a Bishop but for all Christians-Our
lights must shine in a lost and dying world.
Again, Dean, these are instructions to
Bishops and perhaps, by extension, the Church; Paul is not hear addressing civil
authorities or the state.
cd: Calvin said God gave him his authority to kill-God clearly did not do so.
BT: Where did Calvin say that?
cd: This was post many times in my replies to DavidM.- J. Calvin
wrote: Whoever shall now contend that it is unjust to put heretics and
blasphemers to death will knowingly and willingly incur their very
quilt. This is not laid down on human authority; it is God who speaks
and prescribes a perpetual rule for his church (Shaff, History of the
Christian Church, Vol. VIII, p.791.).
And do you conclude from this that Calvin believed that he as
an individual had the okay from God to execute Servetus and others? I don't.
BT: Calvin's view was that God had given the State the authority to wield the sword. Before we judge his views too sharply, let us first consider what greater sin and wrong doing there is than to openly speak blasphemy against God, which is the crime of which Servetus was convicted. My guess is that as a Christian you support the State's right to execute those who commit certain heinous crimes. Am I correct?
cd: Yes you are correct I support the death penelty.But speaking
against the Holy Ghost is a greater crime then speaking against God.This is
the only unforgivable sin and when the Jews did it in front of Christ (ie
They attributed his power for miracles to Satan)-He never once told us or
the disciples to kill those that break this law.
And neither is it my argument that he did.
cd: I hope you also understand that I believe in the death penalty as I
am also told to keep the laws of the land unless they conflict with the
laws of God-I see no conflict ions except aborting and Sodomy. God put
governors and rulers in place to make such decisions and stated that He
would abide by their decisions-as will I for it is even a sin to speak
against these rulers-even angels will not do so. As being without sin and
casting the first stone-many people are without sin-Do you mean to say a
convicted person who on receives Christ and confesses their sins could not
turn to the church and say I have been forgiven and have no more sin upon
me? There are also older Christians also without sin.1 Jn 5:18 We know that
whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keeeth
himself, and that wicked one touches him not.
Yeah, and for a whole lot more, sin is akin to a glass,
wherein they discover everyone's face but their own.
Bill
