Izzy,
This text addresses only the 11 apostles, to whom Jesus was speaking.
There may be other texts that say the same for other believers that v16 says
for the apostles...but this verse does not. Do you know of any other verses
that apply to all believers?
This verse (16) is often used as a proof-text that baptism is required
for salvation. But, since it is applied only to the apostles, we cannot
generally say this text applies to anyone else.
Reading v14-v20 will reveal that Jesus is addressing the apostles. In v16,
when you see he, replace it with it's antecedent (the apostles). So when
'he' occurs in v16, it refers to "he, of the apostles". Then, he tells them
of all the signs and protections they (the apostles) will take with them
when they go out.
This also means that the signs in v17 and v18 apply only to the apostles.
BTW, Izzy, the Holy Spirit revealed this understanding to me.
Perry
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Really???? So only the apostles are saved if they believe and are baptized?
That does not go for anyone since the apostles? iz
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I stated that I do in my original post below.
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>Perry, so do you think the "He" in verse 16 refers only to the apostles,
>too? izzy
>
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>cd: I agree Perry.
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> > [Original Message]
> > From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
> > David,
> >
> > Regarding your item 2, we might also conclude that Jesus was
speaking
> > specifically to the apostles, and that this does not apply to all
>believers.
> > The key is to identify the antecedent of "He" in verse 16, which I
>believe
> > to exclusively be the apostles.
> >
> > Perry
> >
> > David wrote:
> >
> > 2. Mark 16:16-20
> > (16) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that
>believeth
> > not shall be damned.
> > (17) And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall
>they
> > cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
> > (18) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing,
it
> > shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall
> > recover.
> > (19) So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up
>into
> > heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
> > (20) And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working
>with
> > them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
> >
> > How many Christians have believed and been baptized but have not seen
>any
>of
> > these signs follow them? Again, we either have to conclude that the
>concept
> > of faith as taught by Jesus is something greater than the popular
>concept
>of
> > it, or that Jesus was bearing false testimony here, or perhaps that
this
> > passage only applies to the immediate believers to whom he spoke. I
>take
> > the position that faith is something more than what most people think
>faith
> > is.
> >
> >
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