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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> JD wrote:
> > You must know that I do not think I am
> > wrong in anything that I share. That is
> > assurance.
>
> This is not assurance in the spiritual and Biblical sense of the word. This
> is presumption, a counterfeit of faith.Absolute and utter nonsense. My assurance comes from the Lord. You need to repent of your blasphemy.
I sincerely doubt that anyone has
> true faith that they are right in anything they share. I know that I would
> not share very much if this was the case.
>
> Some of this dialogue leads us back to how you view faith as emotional while
> I view faith as rational and spiritual.You have not answered my question concerning your view of "spiritual" faith as opposed to the kind of faith you think I have? When you speak of conviction and assurance, you are talking about emotion. And when you imply (in your post to Perry) that the Spirit's workings per I Cor 2 must be a product of some sort of vision or special experience in addition to the "normal" reading of the text with a view to understanding, you add Miller tradition to the equation, you are adding to the Word of God, you are denying the work of the Spirit in the lives of others and attributing their faith to the power of the Accuser -- which is the unforgivable sin. You need to be very careful here, David, lest you wake up in the pond of fire we know as Hell.
Faith might bring emotions, but
> emotions do not bring faith. Emotions bring presumption. Intellect and
> spirit are the foundation that leads us to faith, IMO.Ah, the foundation stones of legalism -- and I mean that most sincerely. In Romans 14, the weak brother is "weak" because he is "wrong." His faith, at this point , is NOT based upon truth yet his faith is just that, FAITH, and the actions that arise from this conviction work in his favor. His faith is a saving faith. You do not understand this because you think one's faith must be correct to be legitimate
>
> JD wrote:
> > But my intelliect knows that I am not
> > right about all that I believe.
>
> I cannot comprehend how you can speak of assurance if your intellect is not
> in line. True assurance involves the whole person, including both spirit
> and mind. I am conviced that I am right in all that I believe. I can look to the specifics of each point of doctrine and see no error. BUT, on a grander scale, and taking into consideration I Cor 8:1-3, God is telling me not to take what I know too seriously. Knowledge is not the basis of my relationship with God in Christ.
I have described the situation for all honest disciples of Christ. Integrity demands that I humbily change what I know to be untrue. If I were not fully convinced of my correctness, I would change the teaching immediately. But I have a fallen mind that is under the process of renewal. Becasue of that fact, God has told me not to over confident about my knowing .
Lance . Bill , Jonathan, G, all know that they could be wrong about everything or anything they beleive. But none of them see error in their specific beleifs OR THEY WOULD CHANGE THAT POINT OF ERROR.
JD I speak to you as you speak to others and in the company of love and concern.
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