Having been moving for the last couple of days, I just got a chance to sit down for a rest and browse through TT. I am dismayed as what I see. I wonder why I have been wasting my time throwing pearls before swine here. The answer, of course, is that I dearly enjoy reading and sharing posts with the kindhearted Believers on TT. But the truth is, in real life I would never associate with the toxic people I find here. I don't need hateful, nasty people insulting me or my friends. I have so many delightful friends to spend the precious moments of my life with, and so very much to accomplish. Life is increasingly short, and I am convicted about spending it wisely. So dear Lance, jd, and Gary, enjoy insulting me to your heart's desire while I'm gone. I'm giving up TT for New Year's. I hope the rest of you will email me often. Love and Blessings and a closer walk with Jesus to every one of you, Izzy
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets Why not go with 'blowin' smoke' if it makes you feel better, I'm not even a Mormon, Perry. Why be such a nuisance? Move on! David is, IMO, & on some occasions, a pompous ass. Should you find him to be otherwise then, good for you! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: December 30, 2005 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets > All I am asking, Lance, is for you to clarify what you consider to be > speculation in David's post. You often sit back and direct others to > produce stuff, while producing very little substance yourself, so I > suspected you would not point out David's speculation. Perhaps you just do > not want to put forth the effort...or perhaps you are blowing smoke. > > Perry > > >>From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets >>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:33:40 -0500 >> >>You may 'rather' all you want to, Perry. Remember, I watched the 'extended >>version' of the conversation between yourself and the 'annointed one' on >>Scripture. He simply cannot acknowledge wrongheadedness. >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: December 30, 2005 14:25 >>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets >> >> >>>I'd rather you did it, Lance, since you are making the claim, and I would >>>like to see it as YOU see it. Only you can show me that. >>> >>>>From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>Reply-To: [email protected] >>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets >>>>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:36:30 -0500 >>>> >>>>I'd rather David did it, Perry. He knows which is which. One wearies of >>>>his pompous treatment of his 'subjects' on TT. >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" >>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>Sent: December 30, 2005 13:23 >>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Lance, you may be right, but please separate the biblical from the >>>>>speculation in David's post so the rest of us can see it as you do. >>>>> >>>>>Perry >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>Reply-To: [email protected] >>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets >>>>>>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:46:44 -0500 >>>>>> >>>>>>IMO you speak more often with presumption than with authority. Much of >>>>>>that which you've said below is biblical but, some of it is >>>>>>speculation and, I believe that you know which is which. >>>>>> >>>>>>Giftedness and maturity, sadly, do not go hand in hand. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>Sent: December 30, 2005 12:18 >>>>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>John wrote: >>>>>>>>I do believe that the apostles had a measure >>>>>>>>of the Spirit that was in addition that of the >>>>>>>>gifts of the Spirit >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The apostolic office is characgterized by special signs and wonders, >>>>>>>yes, >>>>>>>but this should not be characterized as you have done here. Read 1 >>>>>>>Cor. 12 >>>>>>>for the proper perspective of apostles to the rest of the body of >>>>>>>Christ. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>John wrote: >>>>>>>>... the 7 deacons could not do anything of a >>>>>>>>miracluous nature before the apostles layed >>>>>>>>hands on them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Mere speculation on your part, which flies in the face of church >>>>>>>tradition >>>>>>>and historical writings. Furthermore, the Scriptures themselves >>>>>>>suggest >>>>>>>otherwise when they describe these men already as men of faith, >>>>>>>filled with >>>>>>>the Holy Ghost. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>John wrote: >>>>>>>>Miracles do continue in the church to this day >>>>>>>>but to the exclusion of "faith healings." >>>>>>> >>>>>>>An effeminate remark which even the female founder of your church has >>>>>>>disagreed with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>John wrote: >>>>>>>>There is no more impa rtation of scripture. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Speculation and presumption, which might be right, but it has no >>>>>>>basis of >>>>>>>authority. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>John wrote: >>>>>>>>In the Pentecostal tradition, I have seen many who >>>>>>>>claim to be "apostles." Not a single one can raise >>>>>>>>the dead, heal by casting a shadow, walk through >>>>>>>>unopened doors and the like. I do not think these >>>>>>>>men to be evil -- simply confused. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Surely there are false apostles today just as there were in New >>>>>>>Testament >>>>>>>times. Why does Jesus praise the Ephesian church for testing false >>>>>>>apostles >>>>>>>if John was the last one? Why would there be any testing at this >>>>>>>time if >>>>>>>John was to be the last apostle? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have known personally two men who have been raised from the dead. >>>>>>>I have >>>>>>>met apostles who have reported to me experiences of raising the dead, >>>>>>>of >>>>>>>people being healed as they walked by, and who have had cloths taken >>>>>>>to the >>>>>>>sick and seen them healed. Just because you have met false apostles >>>>>>>does >>>>>>>not mean they are all false apostles. I have met false apostles too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>When Jesus ascended on high, he gave gifts unto men, namely, >>>>>>>apostles, >>>>>>>prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. The reason they were >>>>>>>given was >>>>>>>for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, and >>>>>>>for the >>>>>>>edifying of the body of Christ. This was to be until we all come in >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a >>>>>>>perfect >>>>>>>man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. Now >>>>>>>when >>>>>>>someone starts stripping away these gifts, claiming that the apostles >>>>>>>are no >>>>>>>longer in the body of Christ, or that the modern prophet is now the >>>>>>>theologian, or other such fantasies, it only serves to change the >>>>>>>body of >>>>>>>Christ into something else, more akin to a Christian social club. >>>>>>>Why is it >>>>>>>that people are so accepting of teachers and pastors, but they do >>>>>>>everything >>>>>>>they can to discredit and remove from the body of Christ the apostles >>>>>>>and >>>>>>>prophets? I say that until we are brought into unity of faith and >>>>>>>knowledge, unto a perfect man and the fullness of Christ, we need >>>>>>>them all. >>>>>>>If we have not arrived at such, part of the reason is that we reject >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>present day ministry of apostles and prophets, so the local church >>>>>>>has no >>>>>>>solid foundation in Christ. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Ephesians 4:8-16 >>>>>>>(8) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity >>>>>>>captive, and gave gifts unto men. >>>>>>>(9) (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended >>>>>>>first into >>>>>>>the lower parts of the earth? >>>>>>>(10) He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above >>>>>>>all >>>>>>>heavens, that he might fill all things.) >>>>>>>(11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, >>>>>>>evangelists; >>>>>>>and some, pastors and teachers; >>>>>>>(12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, >>>>>>>for the >>>>>>>edifying of the body of Christ: >>>>>>>(13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge >>>>>>>of the >>>>>>>Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>fulness of Christ: >>>>>>>(14) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and >>>>>>>carried >>>>>>>about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning >>>>>>>craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; >>>>>>>(15) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all >>>>>>>things, >>>>>>>which is the head, even Christ: >>>>>>>(16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by >>>>>>>that >>>>>>>which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying >>>>>>>of >>>>>>>itself in love. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Ephesians 2:19-22 >>>>>>>(19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but >>>>>>>fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; >>>>>>>(20) And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, >>>>>>>Jesus >>>>>>>Christ himself being the chief corner stone; >>>>>>>(21) In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an >>>>>>>holy >>>>>>>temple in the Lord: >>>>>>>(22) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God >>>>>>>through >>>>>>>the Spirit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Peace be with you. >>>>>>>David Miller. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>---------- >>>>>>>"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you >>>>>>>may know how you ought to answer every man." 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