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IMO, to the extent that what you describe is
historically accurate, this simply reflects what the church 'catholic' does with
power. It (power) actually does corrupt. This is so throughout the history of
the church.
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How come Hitler made a concordat with Pope Pius if
what is written below is so? I've read that Hitler admired
the structure of the rcc and that he organized his SS
along the same lines. Also the rcc underground network
helped many notorious Nazis escape to South America
and other places.
thus, Bro,
Nazis ain't ProtestantDAVEH:
Your logic is flawed on this, G, and you seem to be stuck in a box trying
desperately to separate Nazism from Protestantism......... When
the Nazis seized power in 1933, the Protestant churches had suffered a
decade of steep numerical decline; in that year, however, they began to gain
members. For millions of German Protestants the Nazi regime signaled a
revival of Christianity after the decadent, morally uncertain years of the
Weimar Republic. Many Protestants, including pastors, became keen Nazi
party members and officials. When, after 1937, relationships between the
Protestant churches aim the Nazi state deteriorated and churchmen were
dismissed from official posts, there was much disappointed
protest.
Catholicism, however, never appealed to the Nazis.
(Hitler said on a number of occasions that he was nearer in spirit to
Protestantism.) Principally this was because Catholicism was
internationalist in outlook, while German Protestants were for the most part
fiercely nationalist. But the Nazis's detestation of Rome derived also from
their skewed notions about the papacy. The Vatican was, of course, a foreign
power, which disqualified it from having any right of influence in insurgent
Germany. It was also regarded as the culpable party in a centuries-old
perversion of Christianity: materialist, luxurious and, above all, Jewish.
(Hitler asserted a belief that all the most notorious Renaissance popes were
Jews, the front men for the great Jewish conspiracy to achieve world
domination.).......Interestingly, the paganists
were a minority, much derided by Hitler and Goebbels, who remained nominal
Catholics and paid church taxes to the end........the author
claims Hitler was a lip serving Catholic, but yet is seems obvious that his
heart was with Protestantism. The above site can be found
at....... http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_16_121/ai_n8702389........Pictures
you referred to can be found at....... http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm.......As
you run down through the pictures, please note the crosses on the graves of
the Nazis. From what I've heard promoted on TT a short time ago, those
crosses represent Christians. (I suggested they represented people who
had died.) Now, if you read further down the
page....... Mass meeting of the German Christian Movement
13
Nov.1933
A radical wing of German Lutheranism and the main
Protestant branch supporting Nazi ideology, the German Christian Movement
reconciled Christian doctrine with German nationalism and
antisemitism...........and........ Ludwig
Müller, a Nazi sympathizer, and a candidate of Hitler, was elected to the
position of Reich Bishop in 1933 as Hitler attempted to unite regional
Protestant churches under Nazi control. Hitler did not practice separation
of Church & State.
Berlin, Germany, November 17,
1933........you will notice a picture of LM. A few
pictures later, you can see LM performing the Christian wedding of Goring,
with Hitler as his best man. Shortly
thereafter, you can imagine the influence Catholicism had on Hitler in his
youth that failed to stick from his Mother's cemetery
picture........ Hitler's mother's grave
Klara Hitler was a
pious Catholic mother who raised Hitler according to her
beliefs.
Hitler felt grief-stricken over his mother's death. She was
buried alongside her husband in Linz, Austria. German soldiers here pay
their respects to the grave in 1938.
Note the Christian cross on her
monument.........so it becomes obvious that Hitler had roots in
Catholicism that were merely catered to for political purposes. He
seemed much more intent on focusing on Protestantism.
As you get closer to the bottom, you can see
pictures that reflect........ Deutsche Christen (German
Christians)
The Deutsche Christen (DC) became the voice of Nazi ideology
within the Evangelical Church (the Religious Right of their day) and
approved by Hitler. They proposed a church "Aryan paragraph" to prevent
"non-Aryans" from becoming ministers or religious teachers. Most church
leaders solidly supported the "Judenmission." Only a very few number of
Christians opposed Nazism such as the "Confessing Christians" (a Church
movement not recognized by the Protestant orthodoxy) headed by Dietrich
Bonhoeffer. The support of Nazism by the majority of German Christians and
German Christian leaders shows the danger of mixing religion with
government.
The photo on the left shows Christian worshippers
of Christ and Nazism on the march in front of the Berlin Cathedral. SS
guards stand at attention. The head of the march shows members in party and
SA uniforms while pastors follow in the rear.
Note the flags
with the Christian cross with the swastika in the middle (also described as
the Double Cross)..........Rather interesting, isn't it G!
Kinda puts to rest your theory that Nazis ain't Protestant.
. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
even
untwisted history can't fathom THAT, let alone WHY Hitler could form
a formal state church/alliance with the German Catholics under
the regime of Pius XII; regardless, there's a v famous, then
contemporary pic of Pius XIIs Reichs-Bishop among Nazis
saluting Hitler at a cathedral in downtown Berlin c.1939--thus, Bro,
Nazis ain't Protestant
DAVEH: Why should he bother, when Protestantism fulfilled his
needs? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to[o] bad
he didn't pursue that option
DAVEH: Given a chance to become Mormon, I
suspect Hitler would feel more comfortable remaining a
Protestant. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
..Naziism started in the German labor
movement--Hitler, with his certain JS-like qualities was
first a labor/er's philosopher-politico
yes, its clear, Bro, rightizm iz like
Naziism
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......Of course Mormanizm is right.......that's
why I feel so comfortable..amongst friends who are left
of right...
..ftr, Mormanizm is
right:)
..whoever intelligently disagrees is
left
..cultic-apostolic theory rules from the
right of the right
in context, the essence of current
compound/ed cultic-apostolic myth:
"..I have been wasting my time throwing
pearls before swine here." --
Izzy
myth (someone manufactured this
explanation--Izzy cited other mythological
reasons)
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:03:57 -0500 "David
Miller" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes: <<Someone breaks the ad hominem
rule ..and Izzy is so upset by it that she wants
to leave the list,>>
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