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Several months ago a young man came in to our store
believing in a geocentric universe. In the 'natural' one ought to be able to
demonstrate that that which is not so is, in reality, not so. ALL conversations
between Mormons and Christians are comparable to this. ANY conversation with a
Mormon which seeks to demonstrate that their jesus is not THE Jesus will
invariably come to naught. Is there ANYONE on TT who thinks
differently?
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Sent: January 01, 2006 12:07
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and
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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Not what I said at all.
I spoke of
additional scripture. No need for
more if it was right to start with.
DAVEH: You are losing me,
JD.........are you now saying the heavens are open to further
revelation? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth....just trying
to find out what you believe about the possibility of current revelations
from God to his prophets for the benefit of all his people. Do you
believe the heavens are open, or closed? I
believe the apostles presented us with the teachings of Christ and their
function has been fulfilled. No new scripture.
To continue beyond that point,
even if your theory is correct (No need
for more if it was right to start with), couldn't
there still be a need for continued revelation to clarify the parts of the
Bible that are being misinterpreted? Our (LDS) perspective is that it
was correctly revealed in times past, but then corrupted and the priesthood
authority was lost. Hence, the need for a restoration as is inferred
by Paul......So, you are re-establishing the
correct interpretation of the Bible? Are you saying that the Mormon
church is the embodiment of excathedra interpretation?
[Acts 3:19] Repent ye therefore, and be
converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing
shall come from the presence of the Lord;
[20] And he shall send Jesus
Christ, which before was preached unto you:
[21] Whom the heaven must
receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken
by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world
began.
Mormons are restoring a church
that does not exist in First Church scripture or history !!!
DAVEH: I think you vastly do not understand
the nature of the LDS resto ration, Bishop. What is it that you think
we restored that was not existent in the Primitive Church?
You might take the Book of Acts and the epistles
that were written during its history (which would include all the works of
Paul and Peter) , and compare the picture of that church to the Mormon
church. Now, if you claim there is no difference,
then why additional scripture?
And we do know what the First Church was designed to
be -- because of these scriptures. Even Mormons have
to agree with this.
DAVEH: I
respectfully disagree with your conclusion, JD.then how do you know that you have "restored"
anything?
leave
off the Mormon rhetoric "Protestants." Several of us have objected to the use of this w
ord.. I do also. & nbsp;I am not a Protestant........just a
Christian. So take me out of that little box and think that you are
talking to someone who is not defending a particular liturgy or
denominational history.
DAVEH: That's
my interest in being in TT, John. I really don't have a lot of
interest in knowing how the fringe elements of Christianity think. It
is the Protestant element that has piqued my curiosity. If that
bothers you....I will understand why you don't continue discussing
Protestantism with me. Who, pray tell, do
you regard as a representative of Portestantism on this forum?
To conveniently refuse to consider
the thinking of the "fringe" is to avoid dealing with the difficult
issues and to ignore the millions of Christian participants who actually
work most fervently against Mormonism.
If you are RESTORING
the First Chruch, then I would expect the
Mormon church to be the same as the First
Church.
DAVEH: What you are
apparently missing on this is the priesthood authority, John.
It is the restoration of the PA that we believe is the key element of the
restoration. I have been told
countless times that Mormonism is about the restoration of the "primitive
church." Now, I find out that this is not the case. That
is really about PA. Of course, this must be the issue for you, in
view of the fact that the First and PreApostate chruch is not the same as
the Momon church. I don't mean to be insulting. The fact
is, the two concepts are extremely
different.
I am asking you to
speculate - as you did with your questions about A &
E
DAVEH: OK Bishop......this is your
original question.......
if we dug up some document that made
it clear the Mormon church was no longer in the good graces of God.
How would you respond?
DAVEH: For anti-Mormons to dig
up documents discrediting the LDS Church is hardly a unique event, nor one
that would particularly influence me. I've found their good judgment
is exceeded by the influence of their biases, and I rarely concern myself by
what they dig up. IF on the other hand, God were to reveal to me that
the LDS Church is no longer in his good graces, then I would
defer to his will. I am truly happy
for the correct intent on your part. Upon what basis would you
make such a decision?
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