On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:34:27 -0500 "Lance Muir" <
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writes:
> Are you, DavidM, another Smith Wigglesworth?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Miller" <
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> To: <
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Sent: January 02, 2006 09:39
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and
prophets
>
>
> > John wrote:
> >> When you
read this word, you see "office"
> >> and argue from that
perspective. When
> >> I see the word "apostle."
I see function,
> >> assignment, a specific and personal
calling
> >> to the exclusion of "office."
> >
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "to the exclusion of office," but
>
you have
> > basically given a definition for how I use the word
office.
> >
> > John wrote:
> >> ... [apostles
were] presented with the assignment of
> >> imparting the message
of Christ in word and script.
> >
> > Where in Scripture do
you see the apostles being given the
> assignment of
> >
imparting the message of Christ in script? I don't think that was
> part of
> > their assignment because most of them did not
leave us script, and
> it
> > seems
> > likely to me
that most of them never wrote anything. I believe
> their
>
> assignment was oral preaching and ministry to the poor and sick.
>
>
> > John wrote:
> >> It is a function to me and an
office to you.
> >
> > No, it is a function to me too, but
the word "office" helps
> describe an
> > assigned function in
the body of Christ. It is a stewardship, a
> > responsibility
to the body of Christ that they have.
> >
> > John
wrote:
> >> IMO, a faith healer is one who thinks he/she
has
> >> identical powers and purpose as that of Jesus and
>
>> the typical "12." That power emanates from their
>
>> person.
> >
> > Say what???? I don't know of
any "faith healer" who has ever
> claimed that
> > "power
emanates from their person." Even the apostles decried
>
such
> > characterizations (Acts 14). Please name me one faith
healer who
> has ever
> > held to such a position.
>
>
> > I have brought up Smith Wigglesworth as a faith healer of
the last
>
> > century.
> > If you like, we can talk
about him from my perspective of what a
> faith
> > healer
is.
> >
> > John wrote:
> >> He [Wigglesworth]
does not seem to fit into the mold
> >> of the "faith
healer." But, I really do not know.
> >
> > If Smith
Wigglesworth does not fit the mold of a faith healer,
> then I
>
> don't
> > know of anyone, including the apostles of Scripture,
who would.
> He prayed
> > for the sick, had healing
lines in his meetings where he would lay
> hands
> > upon the
sick, and he had tremendous testimonies of people being
> healed
> > and
> > raised from the dead.
> >
> >
John wrote:
> >> You and I cannot point to a single healer, not
one,
> >> David, who healed all who made appearances
at
> >> their services IN SPITE OF AN EFFORT TO DO
>
>> SO.
> >
> > I am not aware of any effort to do so,
but I would agree with you
> that I
> > do
> > not
know of anyone who healed all who came to them. The problem
>
from my
> > perspective is that unbelief is far too prevalent for us
to expect
> such to
> > happen.
> >
> > John
wrote:
> >> I do not see that same failure when I consider
>
>> Jesus and the apostles or those whom they
> >>
commissioned.
> >
> > The Bible gives us an example of where
the apostles failed to
> heal, and
> > even
> >
Jesus too was unable to heal sometimes.
> >
> > Matthew
17:16
> > (16) And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not
cure
> him.
> >
> > Mark 6:5
> > (5) And he
could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his
> hands upon
> > a
> > few sick folk, and healed them.
>
>
> > John wrote:
> >> I have given you reference
!!
> >> I have quoted from several biblical writers.
>
>
> > I'm talking about your assertion that you are on the side of
> theologians
> > and
> > I am not. Which
theologians hold to this viewpoint of yours that
> the
> >
prophets today are guys like Barth, Wright, etc.
> >
> >
John wrote:
> >> What is not going to work, in this discussion,
is
> >> for you to continue to pretend that I might be
>
>> making up "stuff." I do not do this.
> >
> >
Please reference for me those who have fed you the thoughts you
> have,
that
> > there are no faith healers today, that the last apostle was
John,
> and that
> > prophets are theologians like Barth,
Wright, etc. If you are not
> making
> > this stuff up,
then who is teaching it to you? If possible, give
> me
some
> > Pentecostal references please.
> >
> >
John wrote:
> >> In the current discussion, who have you
>
>> referenced other than H. ??
> >
> > The
Didache.
> >
> > Peace be with you.
> > David
Miller.
> >
> > ----------
> > "Let your speech be
always with grace, seasoned with salt, that
> you may
> >
know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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