Yes. I am a little surprised to realize that the supposed reason for the Mormonism is simply not the case. That, coupled an extremely poor understanding of the atonement as it relates to biblical (preSpostate) scripture and the Jewish history of the blood scrifice - well, we have a very different situation than the one presented on this forum for the past several years.
Since they state that God in the Mormon church set things aright, and this includes a church (the Mormon church) that is not similar to the one of preAposate scripture, we have the conclusion forced upon us that God did not get it right, Himself, the first time. We know this because we do have a knowledge of the First and PreApostate church and it is clearly not the same.
I am interested in the organization of that church in terms of "Wards" and the like, the ranking of leadership within that church (why do I think that it will be more than elders, deacons and evangelists/pastors?) , the structure of the catholic Mormon church compared to the structure of the catholic Fisst Church. I am also curious as to why blacks were prohibited from membership for so many years and the association of polygamy to Temple marriages and plaetary rewards of the faithful..
Anyway, thanks for your inpute.
jd
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From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> John,
>
> I have come across no such website as of yet. And probably for a good
> reason. In the mid 80's I met and became friends with a fellow named Bob
> Passentino who, with his wife, would eventually come to start a group called
> Answers in Action. I knew little, if anything, about the mormon church, but
> I do recall him telling me that the mormons refused to set a date indicating
> when the apostacy occurred, because doing so would tie their "restoration"
> to a specific period of the early church. If they set a date on the
> apostacy, then all could see that JS did not really restore anything.
>
> Perry
>
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rg, [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
> >Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 02:54:08 +0000
> >
> > Unfortunately, I do agree. Now that I think of it, you are right in
> >your statement of the use of the word "gentile."
> >
> >do you know of any websites , by Mormons , that give an outline of the
> >Church suitable for comparison of the preApostate First Church?
> >
> >jd
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > > John, there is a higher level division amongst the mormons...they call
> > > everyone who is not a mormon a "gentile". "Protestants" are just one
> > > detestable group of pagans in the group of "gentiles".
> > >
> > > Doesn't it seem interesting that DaveH finds such intrique with a pagan
> > > group like the "protestants". Their own founder claimed the mormon god
> >told
> > > him that he should join NO denomination, and that ALL denominations were
> >an
> > > abomination. As you have stated, even though most on this group do not
> > > consider themselves "protestants" per se and have identified themselves
> >as
> > > being members of the church Jesus started, being members of the body of
> > > Christ, he insists on calling us "protestants" as a disrespect. If he
> > > respected us he would call us what we are...members of the body of
> >Christ.
> > > Christians.
> > >
> > > Perry
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Reply-To: [email protected]
> > > >To: [email protected],
> > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
> > > >Dat e: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:50:33 +0000
> > > >
> > > >David, do you understand how the Mormons use this word "protestant?" Do
> > > >you understand that I do not like that characterization? Do you
> > > >understand that it is gross sectarianism that insists on the separation
> > > >between RCC and those who reject papel authority? Do you know that
> >there
> > > >are millions of Catholics who do not accept Papel authority? Do you
> > > >understand that I have a right to expect not to be branded with a
> >Mormon
> > > >slang word used by them to describe all who are not of "the [Mormon]
> > > >truth?" "protestant" is another way of saying "unbeleiver" or "pagan."
> >We
> > > >are not fooling anyone, here. I have seen their chat rooms !! Do
> > > >you understand that when DH uses this word, he necessarily attaches to
> >it > > > >ideas that are definitely not of my approveal?
> > > >
> > > >This should be an easily resolved issue. But it is not. The Mormons
> > > >insist on using this word because that is what their buds do, in
> >private.
> > > >All Mormons I know use this word and in the same manner as Blaine and
> >DH.
> > > >Get off the pot and smell the roses. You are not scoring any points
> >with
> > > >the Mormons in this.
> > > >
> > > >jd
> > > >
> > > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > > >From: "David Miller"
> > > >
> > > >John, do you understand the difference between a historical perspective
> >and
> > > >a philosophical one?
> > > >
> > > >Let's consider the philosophical concern a little more closely. A
> & gt; > >Protestant is defined broadly as a member of a church that rejects
> >papal
> > > >authority.
> > > >
> > > >-------------
> > > >Prot·es·tant
> > > >[noun]
> > > >member of church rejecting papal authority: a member or adherent of any
> > > >denomination of the Western Christian church that rejects papal
> >authority
> > > >and some fundamental Roman Catholic doctrines, and believes in
> > > >justification by faith.
> > > >
> > > >Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2005. © 1993-2004 Microsoft
> > > >Corporation. All rights reserved.
> > > >-------------
> > > >
> > > >Aimee rejected papal authority. Do you, John, accept or reject the
> > > >authority of the pope as being the vicar of Christ?
> > > >
> > > >Peace be with you.
> > > >David Miller.
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: [email protected] ; [email protected]
> > > >Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:08 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Poor DM. I have not been a part of the Churches of Christ for some 32
> > > >years. My denominational background has nothing to do with my theology
> >at
> > > >this late date. Secindly, Aimee Semple McPherson is the founder of Four
> > > >Square. She was not responding to a negative RCC consideration.
> > > >Certainly, I am no protestant and I have made the reasoning for this
> >claim
> > > >quite clear. Mean versus green are the only considrations I can see for
> > & gt; >the continued use of the word and the continued need to attach me to
> >the
> > > >Churches of Christ.
> > > >
> > > >jd
> > > >
> > > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > > >From: Dave
> > > >
> > > >DaveH, you have to understand that John's background is Church of
> >Christ,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >DAVEH: I did remember that, DavidM. Even so, as I remember, WIKI
> > > >painted the CofC as Protestant as well.
> > > >
> > > > However, in a recent discussion with you, I thought I understood John
> > > >to say that he currently is worshiping with a 4Sq group, which to me
> > > >indicates an association with a Protestant relationship, as I think
> >WIKI
> > > >defined them.
> > > >
> > > >David Miller wrote:
> > > >DaveH wrote:
> > > >
> > > >If I remember correctly, you are a 4Sq
> > > >adherent, which as I understand it is a branch
> > > >of Protestantism.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >John wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That denomination did not come from the
> > > >Portestant response to RCC theology.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >If I am remembering correctly, the historical root to the Four Square
> > > >church
> > > >is Baptist. Aimee Semple McPherson at one time claimed to have been
> > > >ordained by the Baptists. I think later on she was ordained by the
> > > >Assemblies of God, but later disowned those credentials.
> > > >
> > > >John wrote:
> > > >
> > > >I see "protestant" as clubhouse name for
> > > >those who are apostate. That is how I
> > > >believe the term is used. I have seen posts
> > > >from Mormon to Mormon that gives me this
> > > >opinion.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >DaveH, you have to understand that John's background is Church of
> >Christ,
> > > >which is another restoration movement with historial roots similar to
> > > >Mormonism. Their attitude toward other "Protestants" is not unlike
> > > >Mormons.
> > > >
> > > >Peace be with you.
> > > >David Miller.
> > > >
> > > >----------
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> > > >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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