Looks like exactly what I am looking for. I have tired of not getting straight answers. No one seems to want to commit to anything . This is from the horses mouth (I assume I am at the correct end of the animal !!). The best sourse of info, in a debate, is the info supplied by the opponent. ... as you know.
jd
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From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I didn't have time to check all of the articles, but you might find
> something interesting here:
>
> http://www.fairlds.org/apol/ai014.html
>
> Perry
>
>
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected], [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
> >Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 02:54:08 +0000
> >
> > Unfortunately, I do agree. Now that I think of it, you are right in
> >your statement of the use of the word "gentile."
> >
> >do you know of any websites , by Mormons , that give an outline of the
> >Church suitable for comparison of the preApostate First Church?
> >
> > ;jd
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > > John, there is a higher level division amongst the mormons...they call
> > > everyone who is not a mormon a "gentile". "Protestants" are just one
> > > detestable group of pagans in the group of "gentiles".
> > >
> > > Doesn't it seem interesting that DaveH finds such intrique with a pagan
> > > group like the "protestants". Their own founder claimed the mormon god
> >told
> > > him that he should join NO denomination, and that ALL denominations were
> >an
> > > abomination. As you have stated, even though most on this group do not
> > > consider themselves "protestants" per se and have identified themselves
> >as
> > > being members of the church Jesus started, being members of the body of
> > > Christ, he insists on calling us "protestants" as a disrespect. If he
> > > respected us he would call us what we are...members of the body of
> >Christ.
> > > Christians.
> > >
> > > Perry
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Reply-To: [email protected]
> > > >To: [email protected],
> > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
> > > >Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:50:33 +0000
> > > >
> > > >David, do you understand how the Mormons use this word "protestant?" Do
> > > >you understand that I do not like that characterization? Do you
> > > >understand that it is gross sectarianism that insists on the separation
> > > >between RCC and those who reject papel authority? Do you know that
> >there
> > > >are millions of Catholics who do n ot accept Papel authority? Do you
> > > >understand that I have a right to expect not to be branded with a
> >Mormon
> > > >slang word used by them to describe all who are not of "the [Mormon]
> > > >truth?" "protestant" is another way of saying "unbeleiver" or "pagan."
> >We
> > > >are not fooling anyone, here. I have seen their chat rooms !! Do
> > > >you understand that when DH uses this word, he necessarily attaches to
> >it
> > > >ideas that are definitely not of my approveal?
> > > >
> > > >This should be an easily resolved issue. But it is not. The Mormons
> > > >insist on using this word because that is what their buds do, in
> >private.
> > > >All Mormons I know use this word and in the same manner as Blaine and
> >DH.
> > > >Get off the pot and smell the roses. You are not scoring any points
> >with
> > > >the Mormons in this.
> > > >
> > > >jd
> > > >
> > > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > > >From: "David Miller"
> > > >
> > > >John, do you understand the difference between a historical perspective
> >and
> > > >a philosophical one?
> > > >
> > > >Let's consider the philosophical concern a little more closely. A
> > > >Protestant is defined broadly as a member of a church that rejects
> >papal
> > > >authority.
> > > >
> > > >-------------
> > > >Prot·es·tant
> > > >[noun]
> > > >member of church rejecting papal authority: a member or adherent of any
> > > >denomination of the Western Christian church that rejects papal
> >authority
> > > >and some funda mental Roman Catholic doctrines, and believes in
> > > >justification by faith.
> > > >
> > > >Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2005. © 1993-2004 Microsoft
> > > >Corporation. All rights reserved.
> > > >-------------
> > > >
> > > >Aimee rejected papal authority. Do you, John, accept or reject the
> > > >authority of the pope as being the vicar of Christ?
> > > >
> > > >Peace be with you.
> > > >David Miller.
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: [email protected] ; [email protected]
> > > >Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:08 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Poor DM. I have not been a part of the Churches of Christ for some 32
> > > >years. My denominational background has nothing to do with my theology
> >at
> > > >this late date. Secindly, Aimee Semple McPherson is the founder of Four
> > > >Square. She was not responding to a negative RCC consideration.
> > > >Certainly, I am no protestant and I have made the reasoning for this
> >claim
> > > >quite clear. Mean versus green are the only considrations I can see for
> > > >the continued use of the word and the continued need to attach me to
> >the
> > > >Churches of Christ.
> > > >
> > > >jd
> > > >
> > > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > > >From: Dave
> > > >
> > > >DaveH, you have to understand that John's background is Church of
> >Christ,
> > > >
> > > >
& gt; > > >DAVEH: I did remember that, DavidM. Even so, as I remember, WIKI
> > > >painted the CofC as Protestant as well.
> > > >
> > > > However, in a recent discussion with you, I thought I understood John
> > > >to say that he currently is worshiping with a 4Sq group, which to me
> > > >indicates an association with a Protestant relationship, as I think
> >WIKI
> > > >defined them.
> > > >
> > > >David Miller wrote:
> > > >DaveH wrote:
> > > >
> > > >If I remember correctly, you are a 4Sq
> > > >adherent, which as I understand it is a branch
> > > >of Protestantism.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >John wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That denomination did not come from the
> > > >Portestant response to RCC theology.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >If I am remembering correctly, the historical root to the Four Square
> > > >church
> > > >is Baptist. Aimee Semple McPherson at one time claimed to have been
> > > >ordained by the Baptists. I think later on she was ordained by the
> > > >Assemblies of God, but later disowned those credentials.
> > > >
> > > >John wrote:
> > > >
> > > >I see "protestant" as clubhouse name for
> > > >those who are apostate. That is how I
> > > >believe the term is used. I have seen posts
> > > >from Mormon to Mormon that gives me this
> > > >opinion.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >DaveH, you have to understand that John's background is Church of
> >Christ,
> > > >which is another restoration movement with historial roots similar to
> ; > > >Mormonism. Their attitude toward other "Protestants" is not unlike
> > > >Mormons.
> > > >
> > > >Peace be with you.
> > > >David Miller.
> > > >
> > > >----------
> > > >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> > > >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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