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I would have said the same without the prophet moniker
and have believed this for a long time.
Both have the same rituals, handshakes etc. and
Freemasonry tries to blend into the professing church
in spite of the fact that it is anything but
Christian in nature... Today churches are full of them and they
have even infiltrated the Vatican. Go
figure..
A prophet who visited our store some weeks back
identified the 'spirit' of Mormonism as the 'spirit' of Freemasonry DM.
Any comments? As a prophet yourself, what do you
make of his God-given discernment?
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Sent: January 02, 2006 18:02
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and
prophets
Some years ago, I quoted how the Encyclopedia Britannica classified the
LDS as a protestant group, but you did not agree with them.
>From my perspective, there are historical ways of looking at this
classification, and there are philosophical ways. Historically, the
Church of Christ, the Baptists, the Four Square, and the LDS, all have
protestant roots. Philosophically, however, it gets a little more
complicated. One of the Reformation philosophies was Sola
Scriptura. The LDS certainly do not agree with that. Then you
have groups like the Church of Christ and the LDS which believe that they
are restoring the primitive church. Therefore, they reject any
affiliation with Protestants or Roman Catholics. Then you have John
Smithson, who has a history with the Church of Christ. They have
barraged him with the perspective that protestant is a dirty word,
much like the LDS has done with you. Now he had joined the
Four Square Church which has its own problems with Protestant roots, having
a woman minister as a founder, believing in the restoration of the gifts of
the Holy Spirit, healing, speaking in tongues, etc. Most Four Square
members are perfectly comfortable with the term Protestant. I was a
Four Square member myself back in 1972, and one of my best friends today,
his mom is a Four Square pastor and his late dad was too when he was
alive. I had better stop talking about myself before Lance jumps on me
for trumpeting something. :-)
Anyway, what you are facing here is the same thing I face with the LDS
and the label Protestant. I consider the LDS to be clearly Protestant,
given Joseph Smith's affiliations with the Methodist church, his family's
affiliation with the Presbyterian church, Joseph Smith himself having
been baptized in a Baptist church... you get the picture. But you do
not consider yourself Protestant, and neither do some of the members on this
forum. I can understand the disagreement when you look at the matter
from a philosophical perspective, but from a historical perspective, you
guys are only denying your historical roots.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:31
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and
prophets
DaveH, you have to understand that John's background is Church of Christ,
DAVEH:
I did remember that, DavidM. Even so, as I remember, WIKI
painted the CofC as Protestant as well.
However, in a recent discussion with you, I thought I understood John to
say that he currently is worshiping with a 4Sq group, which to me
indicates an association with a Protestant relationship, as I think WIKI
defined them.
David Miller wrote:
DaveH wrote:
If I remember correctly, you are a 4Sq
adherent, which as I understand it is a branch
of Protestantism.
John wrote:
That denomination did not come from the
Portestant response to RCC theology.
If I am remembering correctly, the historical root to the Four Square church
is Baptist. Aimee Semple McPherson at one time claimed to have been
ordained by the Baptists. I think later on she was ordained by the
Assemblies of God, but later disowned those credentials.
John wrote:
I see "protestant" as clubhouse name for
those who are apostate. That is how I
believe the term is used. I have seen posts
from Mormon to Mormon that gives me this
opinion.
DaveH, you have to understand that John's background is Church of Christ,
which is another restoration movement with historial roots similar to
Mormonism. Their attitude toward other "Protestants" is not unlike Mormons.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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