Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

[Judy Taylor]

For what purpose Lance?  The former pastor of this Church met with them individually and gave them an ultimatum.  They would have to choose the Church or the Lodge; they didn't like it and a couple of rebellious ones refused to leave.  I don't know where this pastor stands on this issue. I do know there are at least one homosexual couple who sit in the church regularly that those in leadership know about.   On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:44:54 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: An experiment for you, Judy. Ask your pastor to publicly request any freemasons who are in church next Sunday to stand up.  From: Judy Taylor   I would have said the same without the prophet moniker and have believed this for a long time.  Both have the same rituals, handshakes etc. and Freemasonry tries to blend into the professing church in spite of the fact that it is anything but Christian in nature... Today churches are full of them and they have even infiltrated the Vatican.  Go figure..   On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:12:47 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: A prophet who visited our store some weeks back identified the 'spirit' of Mormonism as the 'spirit' of Freemasonry DM. Any comments? As a prophet yourself, what do you make of his God-given discernment? ----- Original Message ----- From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 02, 2006 18:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets Some years ago, I quoted how the Encyclopedia Britannica classified the LDS as a protestant group, but you did not agree with them.  >From my perspective, there are historical ways of looking at this classification, and there are philosophical ways.  Historically, the Church of Christ, the Baptists, the Four Square, and the LDS, all have protestant roots.  Philosophically, however, it gets a little more complicated.  One of the Reformation philosophies was Sola Scriptura.  The LDS certainly do not agree with that.  Then you have groups like the Church of Christ and the LDS which believe that they are restoring the primitive church.  Therefore, they reject any affiliation with Protestants or Roman Catholics.  Then you have John Smithson, who has a history with the Church of Christ.  They have barraged him with the perspective that protestant is a dirty word, much like the LDS has done with you.   Now he had joined the Four Square Church which has its own problems with Protestant roots, having a woman minister as a founder, believing in the restoration of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, healing, speaking in tongues, etc.  Most Four Square members are perfectly comfortable with the term Protestant.  I was a Four Square member myself back in 1972, and one of my best friends today, his mom is a Four Square pastor and his late dad was too when he was alive.  I had better stop talking about myself before Lance jumps on me for trumpeting something.  :-)   Anyway, what you are facing here is the same thing I face with the LDS and the label Protestant.  I consider the LDS to be clearly Protestant, given Joseph Smith's affiliations with the Methodist church, his family's affiliation with the Presbyterian church, Joseph Smith himself having been baptized in a Baptist church... you get the picture.  But you do not consider yourself Protestant, and neither do some of the members on this forum.  I can understand the disagreement when you look at the matter from a philosophical perspective, but from a historical perspective, you guys are only denying your historical roots.   Peace be with you. David Miller. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets DaveH, you have to understand that John's background is Church of Christ, DAVEH:   I did remember that, DavidM.   Even so, as I remember, WIKI painted the CofC as Protestant as well.      However, in a recent discussion with you, I thought I understood John to say that he currently is worshiping with a 4Sq group, which to me indicates an association with a Protestant relationship, as I think WIKI defined them. David Miller wrote: DaveH wrote: If I remember correctly, you are a 4Sq adherent, which as I understand it is a branch of Protestantism. John wrote: That denomination did not come from the Portestant response to RCC theology. If I am remembering correctly, the historical root to the Four Square church is Baptist. Aimee Semple McPherson at one time claimed to have been ordained by the Baptists. I think later on she was ordained by the Assemblies of God, but later disowned those credentials. John wrote: I see "protestant" as clubhouse name for those who are apostate. That is how I believe the term is used. I have seen posts from Mormon to Mormon that gives me this opinion. DaveH, you have to understand that John's background is Church of Christ, which is another restoration movement with historial roots similar to Mormonism. Their attitude toward other "Protestants" is not unlike Mormons. Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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