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Sent: January 07, 2006 15:55
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God
[I'm quite excited because in the course of
writing the second paragraph below, I became aware of knowing something
important.]
From what I've read of the exchange, it's hard to
tell what Judy really believes about Jesus. To me it seems that she does not
respond to what is being said so much as to who is saying it: all she knows is that she must disagree with JD and Bill.
This is what I mean when I characterize her as
disingenuous.
Believe me Debbie Sawczak this is not "all she
knows" - This is just what you think is all she knows because you have no
frame of reference for what she
writes.
How indefensible her
statement to the effect that if something is beyond our human
comprehension--in terms of logical deconstruction--it can't be true, that this
is what is meant by "God gives understanding". It is in
fact just the opposite. Through logic, ideas are entailed
by, ultimately contained in, other ideas already in our heads. There
would never be any need for revelation, nor any knight's moves, and ideas
would have priority over persons.
I did not make any such statement so what
is indefensible is a figment of your own imagination Debbie. I was referring
to the habit
of the Church Fathers - who always called what
they could not explain a "mystery" - this is a tradition that has
carried through
and appears in the rcc as well as some other
denominations today as opposed to the Promise of the Father which is the
Spirit who
will lead us into ALL
Truth.
The tone of the whole Bible
is otherwise. This is the Tree, you see, and the whole Bible is about knowing God
versus eating from the Tree.
Not so Debbie; the whole Bible is about
which tree one chooses to eat from; also there is no
way for us to KNOW GOD aside from abiding in
Him and His Words (from the tree
of life) abiding in us. So you are hooked to one tree or the other
whether or not you are
presently aware.
We come back to the book I just bought ("Relational logic"--as opposed to Greek
logic!) and to McGrath's intellectual shift having so much to
do with "getting to know" Torrance. It has
come up before in conversations you and I have had about changing one's
mind: it always has to do with relationship. You know things by opening
yourself to a person. Persons have priority over
ideas. Hey, that is Polanyi, too!! Wow, this all
meshes!! Just composing this paragraph made some connections obvious
to me. D
So you are all into Torrance and Polyani and
human relations/relationships. Oh well!! I guess you will become
like your teachers ... "For what person perceives (knows and understands) what
passes through a man's thoughts except the man's own spirit within him?" 1 Cor
2:11(Amp). But you don't get to learn
God's thoughts which are higher than mans, or His ways which are so much
wiser. He never trained Moses relationally, he had to spend 40yrs on the
far side of the desert before he was fit for ministry. Same with the
educated Pharisee of the Pharisees
Saul. It took up to 14yrs out in the desert alone after being knocked
from his donkey before he was fit to go out and he clearly says that he
did not confer with flesh ....
