Have you considered the temple menorah too? David Miller.
----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:32 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language" I don't use apocalytic literature to construct my doctrine. I do have an answer and it has to do with my view of the use of numbers in the Bible. I do not care to have an exchange with you concerning this, however. I am currently working on several other [biblical] issues and do not have the time. jd -------------- Original message -------------- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The problem with the word "Trinity" is that it assume Three. What do you > do > with texts that speak about the Seven Spirits of God? > > David Miller. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:57 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language" > > > I do not agree. "Trinity" is as much a translation of the concept of > "divine essence" as is "godhead" but for theological and contextual > reasons. Call it philosophy if you will. The inclusion of "trinity" is a > sound choice if it , in fact, arises from a point of truth. Equivalency > is a word that figures into my discussion. I am sure you unde rstand the > implication. > > jd > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "David Miller" > > > The word "Trinity" is not a translation, nor is it a transliteration. It > > is > > a word of philosophers, a word constructed by theologians, and it is a > > philosophically loaded word. The various words of the Greek language > > that > > have been translated "Godhead" have at their root the word "theos," and > > therefore, "Godhead" is an appropriate translation whereas "Trinity" is > > not. > > The root for "three" is not found in the Greek language for this word. > > > > David Miller > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: [email protected] ; [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:08 PM > > Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lan ce and "biblical language" > > > > > > Your response has nothing to do with my comments, near as I can see. > > My point is this: every English word in our bible is "added " to the > > original text. so you like godhead" and I like "trinity." They are both > > translations of the orgiinal word and/or thought. > > > > jd > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Judy Taylor > > > > Here we go again - And who is the one who denied staking everything on > > translational and Gk > > arguments - very, very, recently?. judyt > > > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:54:47 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Here is an approximation of the [NT] biblical language" > > > > gar nomoz tou pneumatoz thz swhzev Cristy > > > > All other words [in [English] translation] are "non-biblical." > > ; "Incarnate" is no less a "biblical word" than "in the flesh" -- nor > > "trinity " in the place of "Godhead." > > > > Our translations are copies of the original tex t (as best as we can > > reconstruct that text) . The Latin Vulgate has the same place in > > biblical > > history in terms of type and quality as does the more literal of the > > English > > translations. > > > > To argue without end over "Godhead" verses "Trinity" is argue about > > nothing. I have just as much authority to read "trinity" as someone has > > to read "godhead" or "divine nature." > > > > jd > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "Lance Muir" > > > > On employing 'non-biblical' terminology when speaking of WHO Jesus is: > > Insofar as the language one chooses accurately reflects the subject > > under & gt; > discussion it may be viewed as legitimate, helpful and, even necessary. > > > > May I ask that anyone responding to the above take the time to outline > > their > > own position on this. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Judy Taylor > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] > > Sent: January 14, 2006 08:53 > > Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS > > NOT > > DIVINE > > > > > > I don't know about all that Lance. What exact part of him are you > > calling > > "his humanity" Is it the body or the soul? > > Also what exactly is a "trinitarian nature?" These are brand new terms > > someone has come up with. Could this > > be called "adding to the Word of Truth?" > > > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:39:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" > > writes: > > Judy, rightly IMO, has oft spoken of the disconnect that may take place > > between theologizing and godliness. Conversely, as illustrated in this > > post > > by Bill, a more thoroughgoing teaching, along with the apprehension, of > > the > > Trinitarian Nature of God ought to issue in that which Jt speaks of. > > (i.e. > > godliness) > > > > > > ----- Original Messag e ----- > > From: Taylor > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: January 14, 2006 07:18 > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity > > > > > > BillT wrote: The oneness of God is therefore not a number nearly so much > > as > > it is a unity: the unifying > > love of God in koinonia -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. > > > > > > DAVEH responds: Any room for individuals in that equation?..........The > > oneness of God is therefore........F ather, Son, Holy Spirit & Bill. > > > > Well, yes and no, DH. I am included in that circle of love in the way > > that > > Christ's humanity is included in that relationship. But as the humanity > > of > > Christ is not divine, neither am I divine. What I am is included in the > > humanity of the divine Christ and thus included in the eternal > > fellowship > > and community of the Son with the Father in the Holy Spirit. And because > > of > > the inseparable union of the person of Christ, his humanity with h is > > divinity, I will forever be included in the loving union of the Trinity, > > the > > oneness of God. > > > > Good question, though, > > > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dave Hansen > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity & gt; > > > > > > > .........Does that work in your theological paradigm? > > > > Taylor wrote: > > Moreover, John, if God is love and God is also a singularity, like many > > people think of "one" in the statement "God is one," then the greatest > > human > > expression of that love would be narcissism: extreme self love; for that > > would be to exemplify the love of God. Instead, God is "one" -- and has > > been > > from eternity -- precisely because of the other-centered love which > > exists > > between the Father for the Son and the Son for the Father in the Holy > > Spirit. The oneness of God is th erefore not a number nearly so much as > > it > > is > > a unity: the unifying > > love of God in koinonia -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. > > > > Good insight, Dude, I mean Bish; you're on a roll. > > > > Bill > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Dave Hansen > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.langlitz.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > If you wish to receive > > things I find interesting, > > I maintain six email lists... > > JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, > > STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is > > believed to be clean. > > > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > > know how > > you ought to answer every man." 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