first , you quote I Cor 5:1-13 which tells us that God judges those outside the church. And now, you go to something else since that didn't work. Acts 17 and Acts 2 do not sound like rebuking to me.
Stephens words do - but He spoke to those who were about to kill him - and they were of the House of Israel. Hardly an establishment of patterned activity.
jd
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The following sounds like a rebuke of the heathen to me:
>
> Acts 17:29-31
> (29) Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think
> that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and
> man's device.
> (30) And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all
> men every where to repent:
> (31) Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world
> in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given
> assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
>
> So does the following from Peter:
>
> Acts 2:40
> (40) And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save
> yourselves from this untoward generat ion.
>
> The following sounds like rebuke from Stephen:
>
> Acts 7:51-54
> (51) Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist
> the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
> (52) Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have
> slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye
> have been now the betrayers and murderers:
> (53) Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not
> kept it.
> (54) When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they
> gnashed on him with their teeth.
>
> Jesus rebuked outside the church. Read Matthew 23.
>
> David Miller
>
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>
> Yes, there is everything wrong with that. YOU ARE NOT IN CHARGE . That's
> what's wrong with "that." Grace belongs on the streets and rebuking belongs
> in the church - your scripture below verifies this conclusion.
>
> Paul is neither on a street corner preaching the words of 5:1-13 nor does
> he issue time limits for the obedienct response of a disciple of Christ.
> Nor does he ever sound like a prophet, ala one of most recent posts..
>
> jd
>
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> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > JD wrote:
> > > When we insist on such an evidence for the Indwelling,
> > > artificial time limits are put into effect and we become
> > > the administrator of continuing fellowship. .
> >
> > So, is there something wrong with that? Paul wrote:
> >
> > 1 Corinthians 5:1-13
> > (1) It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such
> > fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should
> > have his father's wife.
> > (2) And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath
> > done this deed might be taken away from among you.
> > (3) For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged
> > already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this
> > deed,
> > (4) In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together,
> > and
> > my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
> > (5) To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
> > that
> > the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
> > (6) Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth
> > the whole lump?
> > (7) Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye
> > are
> > unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
> > (8) Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the
> > leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of
> > sincerity
> > and truth.
> > (9) I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
> > (10) Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the
> > covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go
> > out
> > of the world.
> > (11) But now I have written u nto you not to keep company, if any man that
> > is
> > called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a
> > railer,
> > or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
> > (12) For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye
> > j udge them that are within?
> > (13) But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among
> > yourselves that wicked person.
> >
> > Was Paul wrong to instruct the Corinthian church to become the
> > administrator
> > of a loss of fellowship for someone in their midst who continued in
> > fornication?
> >
> > David Miller.
> >
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> > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now
> >
> >
> > if our lives have not changed and we continue to commit sins DM
> >
> & gt; I believe that you, David, think the two concepts cannot be
> separated.....
> > that change is witnessed, in part, by the end of personal sin. Where that
> &g t; may be true, it conversely may not be true !! When we insist on such an
> > evidence for the Indwelling, artificial time limits are put into effect
> > and we become the administrator of continuing fellowship. .
> >
> > jd
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "David Miller"
> >
> > Lance, it is not helpful for you to post the comments of others in that we
> > cannot engage them in dialogue. Unfortunately, Debbie has been misreading
> > me on several posts. Because she is not here for me to provide her
> > feedback, she unfortunately thinks there is a difference where there is
> > none. I applaud the portions of "Victor's" lecture written below. I have
> > no problem understanding the difference between Sin and sins, and I think
> > I
> > understan d their proper place. As I said before which seems to keep going
> > unheard, I agree wi th Bill's perspective. I just don't agree that someone
> > should have a problem with someone who might emphasize in a particular
> > place
> > and for a particular time the secondary item.
> >
> > By the way, I happen to oversee the children's ministry at our church, and
> > I
> > am often in the position of instructing children. When we talk about moral
> > issues, they relate much better to specific examples of sins than they do
> > to
> > talking about Sin. You can be sure that I attempt to talk about Sin, but a
> > discussion of sins often leads to a better understanding of Sin. Just as
> > in
> > math we start with the adding and subtracting before getting to the more
> > useful and more important math, we can do the same thing when discussing
> > righteousness and salvation.
> >
> > One other point. If righteousness is our response to salvation in Jesus
> > Christ, then if righteo usness is not coming forth from us, if our lives
> > have
> > not changed and we continue to commit sins, is it not true that the
> > symptom
> > of sins is a valid observation to help a person realize that they might be
> > lukewarm or might not have embraced Christ in faith as they had thought
> > they
> > had?
> >
> > David Miller.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Lance Muir
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:50 AM
> > Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Debbie Sawczak
> > To: 'Lance Muir'
> > Sent: January 14, 2006 17:02
> > Subject: OK, done working for now
> >
> >
> > paragraph in this lecture of Victor's:
> > ;
> > I've often said, too, that the hardest part of any service of worship for
> > the minister is the children's story, because nearly all the children's
> > stories here are mora listic bromides. It's just moralistic bromide. And
> > the
> > Gospel isn't heard because we assume that children can't understand the
> > Gospel. They can be taught not to steal, and they can be taught not to
> > swear, but they can't understand the Gospel. This is ridiculous, but keep
> > your eye on the Christian education wing of your church or denomination,
> > because that's where the Gospel goes down.
> >
> > It strikes me that street preaching and children's sermons go down the
> > same
> > wrong path!
> >
> > Paragraph from next lecture:
> >
> > The protestant reformers maintain that the root problem is Sin and it
> > gives
> > rise to sins. But be sure you know which is which, or you will never come
> > to
> > terms with the Gospel. Morality maintains that little "s" sins plural is
> > the
> > human predicament. The Gospel maintains that capital "S" Sin singular -
> > unbelief - is the predicament.
> >
> > This is the difference between David's understa nding of repentance and
> > Bill's/JD's.
> >
> > D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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