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Which part of the Jesus I believe
in is not according to scripture Bill?
All of him.
Well the above is a detailed and coherent
response - is this the best you can do?
What makes Him impotent in
your opinion?
He is neither God
nor man, but something less than the former* and greater than the latter**;
hence he is
unrelated to both and therefore irrelevant, just an idol you
worship.
IOW You don't understand Him so he must either
conform to the Church Fathers and
"orthodoxy" or He is an idol?
What a good student you have been
Bill.
* Lance wrote, "Jesus is God," to which
Judy responded, "How can the Father be greater than
God Himself?" (Monday, January 02, 2006)
My response relates to Jesus' own words which are
"The Father is greater than Me" (John 14:28)
So my question still stands. Unanswered I might
add. I don't just make up this stuff you know.
** "How can [the Church fathers] state emphatically that
Jesus is fully human ...
and that his humanity is not divine?" (Monday, January
16, 2006)
He has got to be one or the other Bill - or it is
YOUR JESUS who is a hybrid and not mine regardless of
what the Church Fathers came up with. They were
not God - there is a higher authority you know.
Which part of the Jesus I believe in is
not according to scripture Bill?
What makes Him impotent in your
opinion?
David,
I am not saying that the Jesus I believe in -- that is,
the Jesus of Scripture -- cannot save her,
or that she is not saved by that same Jesus. I am saying that the Jesus she describes cannot save her,
as he is impotent to save her or
anyone else, and if it were true what she says about the hybrid she
believes in,
we are all doomed.
And so my apologies for not being more specific. I can
see where you misunderstood me.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE
HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE
> Judy wrote:
>
>> I don't see anything earthy about him.
> >>
Temptation or no temptation.
>
> Bill wrote:
> > ...
then you are still in your sins and you
> > do not have a
Savior.
>
> I would have to disagree with you here,
Bill. Such would make salvation
> dependent upon her
intellectual understanding.
>
> It seems to me that Judy
knows her Savior. She just does not understand the
> aspects
of humanity about him that we are now discussing. Nevertheless, she
> has placed faith in him, despite this, and she knows him well
enough through
> the Spirit to have experienced the forgiveness of
sins and life everlasting.
>
> David Miller.
>
>
----- Original Message -----
> From: Taylor
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday,
January 16, 2006 4:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and
trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT
> DIVINE
>
>
> I don't see anything earthy about him. Temptation or no
temptation.
>
> Well, Judy, then you are still in your sins
and you do not have a Savior.
>
> Bill
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: Judy Taylor
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday,
January 16, 2006 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and
trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT
> DIVINE
>
>
> The first Adam after the fall did indeed need saving from the
wrath of God
> Bill
> and so do we. Our "humanity" is
under a curse along with the rest of
> creation Bill
> Which
is spelled out in scripture. Jesus went to the cross in order to
> institute a
> "New Creation" and this is why he is called
the Second Adam. The first Adam
> is earthy or of the earthy
(as we are). The Second Adam is the Lord from
>
heaven.
>
> Your gospel is inverted Bill. It is not
Jesus who takes on our likeness
> although he
> passed in all
the areas where the first Adam failed; and was without sin
> where
we
> are for the most part loaded down with it. Read 1 Cor
15:42-52. Sounds to
> me
> like the second Adam is the
Lord from heaven. I don't see anything earthy
> about
>
him. Temptation or no temptation.
>
>
>
>
From: Taylor
>
> Tell me why he (Jesus) HAD to be like US in
every way? Why couldn't he have
> been like the
> first
Adam before the fall, ...
>
> Because the first Adam before
the fall did not need to be saved Judy. We do.
>
>
Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Judy
Taylor
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday,
January 16, 2006 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and
trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT
> DIVINE
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:29:01 -0700 "Taylor"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> so there
is no way that this would be the same concept Bill.
>
> Why
is that, Judy? Did "they" not create us in "their" likeness? (cf. Gen
> 1.26).
>
> Yes they did created the first Adam in
their nature and character
> spiritually - which "likeness"
>
Adam forfeited when he chose to go with Eve into disobedience by eating
the
> wrong fruit.
>
> Thereafter all men (including
us) are born into this world by procreation in
> the likeness
of
> the first Adam rather than the likeness of God (Gen
5:3)
>
> The only possible way to regain the image of God
lost by the first Adam is
> to become
> conformed to the
image of the second Adam which is the sole purpose for His
>
coming
> and His willingness to lay down His human life as a perfect
sacrifice in our
> place.
>
> Laying aside the fact
that you are making much too much of Seth having been
> born in the
image
> of Adam (see Gen 9.6 and answer for me what would be wrong,
then, with
> killing someone who
> was no longer created in
God's image, but in Adam's),
>
> At the beginnign they were
created in God's image and now Noah who found
> grace is
starting
> over even though it didn't take too many generations for
the whole of
> humanity (all but 8 ppl)
> to be
destroyed. I don't believe God is interested in fellowshipping with
a
> bunch of devils.
>
> Judy, I fail to understand
why that should even prevent Christ from being
> united in his
person,
> his humanness with his divinity.
>
> I
understand. It is mixture; joining the holy with the profane which
is
> something God hates.
>
> The only thing which
could have severed that union was the one thing which
> he did not
do:
> sin. Hence in his person, he was able to undo that which had
indeed produced
> schizophrenia
> in the relationship between
humanity and God.
>
> Tell me why he (Jesus) HAD to be like
US in every way? Why couldn't he have
> been like the
>
first Adam before the fall, the one who was created? Jesus was not
exactly
> procreated like
> us since he had no human father
so that must mess up your thesis at least a
> little.
>
> And were he not like us in every way, he could not have produced
this
> reconciliation; for what
> he would have done in a
flesh unlike our own would have had no bearing upon
> human
flesh,
> and we would therefore still be in sin. Bill
>
> Not so; all he had to do was meet God's conditions which
apparently involved
> passing the
> test that A&E failed
and he did that in the wilderness... right after his
>
baptism.
> From: Judy Taylor
>
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2006
09:57:12 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> so there
is no way that this would be the same concept Bill.
>
> Why
is that, Judy? Did "they" not create us in "their" likeness? (cf. Gen
> 1.26).
>
> Yes they did created the first Adam in
their nature and character
> spiritually - which "likeness"
>
Adam forfeited when he chose to go with Eve into disobedience by eating
the
> wrong fruit.
>
> Thereafter all men (including
us) are born into this world by procreation in
> the likeness
of
> the first Adam rather than the likeness of God (Gen
5:3)
>
> The only possible way to regain the image of God
lost by the first Adam is
> to become
> conformed to the
image of the second Adam which is the sole purpose for His
>
coming
> and His willingness to lay down His human life as a perfect
sacrifice in our
> place.
> .
>
> From: Judy
Taylor
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday,
January 16, 2006 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and
trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS
> NOTDIVINE
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:29:22 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> OK - I'm
asking Bill, what husband, and what schism?
>
> Oh, I thought
you were married. The bible says that you and your husband (if
>
you had one) were to become "one" flesh, in other words the two of you in
> coming together would be united -- and not just physically, I
might add; it
> is the marriage "union" after all. The same is true
with God. The bible
> teaches that the Lord is "one" and it uses
the same word when saying this;
> hence there is a oneness or unity
within the nature of God, a coming
> together of a plurality in
union.
>
> God is a Spirit (Jn 4:24) so there is no way that
this would be the same
> concept Bill. Sure the Godhead are
One and united
> in Spirit.
>
> And so, since you
suggested that if Christ be fully God and fully human
> there must
be a schism, I was just wondering about the schism you have with
>
your man. Why instead of schism aren't you united?
>
> In
marriage between humans it is "one flesh" Bill
>
> There
would only be a schism between the two natures of Christ if there were
> disunity between the two.
> The person of Christ had no
disunity; hence no schism. Bill
>
> There would have
been disunity "big time" if he had a human nature - just
> like us
and was in fact wholly God ATST; schizophrenic
> would be the right
term. Also "Flesh and blood DO NOT inherit God's
> Kingdom"
Bill so what would be the purpose??
>
>
> From: Judy
Taylor
>
>
> OK - I'm asking Bill, what husband, and
what schism?
>
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:28:15 -0700 "Taylor"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> And while
you're at it, will you explain your schism with your husband, too?
>
> (If this needs clarification, just ask)
>
>
Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dean
Moore
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday,
January 16, 2006 5:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and
trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS
> NOTDIVINE
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
From: Judy Taylor
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Sent:
1/14/2006 1:07:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity
THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS
> NOTDIVINE
>
>
>
Dean,
> I think this is where "theology" gets itself tied in knots.
This is what JD
> has been accusing me of for so long.
> How
ironic that his mentor Bill would write something like this. I think
> Lance just repeated it to qualify something.
> So their
Jesus must have a schism in his personality (or nature). What
> about his saying to Philip "If you have
> seen me you have
seen the Father" We know he wasn't speaking of his
> physical
body here; so does God
> The Father also have a schismatic
personality.
>
> cd: Judy can you define your usage of
'schismatic'.
>
> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:59:08 -0500 "Dean
Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
writes:
> Well, yes and no, DH. I am included in that circle of love
in the way that
> Christ's humanity is included in that
relationship. But as the humanity of
> Christ is not divine,
neither am I divine.
>
> cd: Lance at this point- How do you
define "Divine"?
>
>
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