Dean wrote: > Respectfully David -Judy has stated dozens > of times that she believes Christ came in the > flesh. Yet the group keeps denying she denying > she said this. Why can't people hear her?
DM:We can't hear Judy when she says this because when we get down to discussing the details, we learn that she redefines flesh. When she says flesh, she does not mean flesh like you and I have. jt: I do mean flesh like we all have David; the difference between Jesus the Christ and us is spiritual like as in nature. We come into this world with a fallen nature; he did not. She means a very different kind of flesh, one that is not under the curse that came upon Adam and came upon Christ, Christ being under the law. jt: The law is not cursed David; the law is spiritual, holy, and good so being under the law does not make Christ cursed. He became a curse for us at Calvary, not before. He was made a curse for us and ultimately came to be sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God. This was something that began the moment he became flesh. jt: No David; he became sin for us at Calvary. How you ppl can claim that he is fully God and sin ATST I can not fathom. This is why he found the cross so abhorrent because for the first time he was separated from the Father ie: "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?" Such is taught in Philippians 2 and Isaiah 53. Philippians 2:6-9 (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: (8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. (9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name Isaiah 53:1-5 (1) Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? (2) For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. (3) He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. (4) Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. (5) But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. jt: How do the above two scriptures teach what you claim? Isa 53 was not true before the cross and Phil does not spell out your thesis either. If the flesh of Jesus was different, the statement that Jesus Christ is not come in the flesh becomes meaningless. Why even tell us that this is the spirit of AntiChrist? Study the history and you will see how the gnostics claimed revelation about the creation and introduced many false ideas, including the idea that Jesus was not really in the flesh like us but that it was only an illusion. This same demon works in the doctrine of the Muslims, who cannot fathom how it could be possible for God to touch this sinful humanity and become human. The next step of this doctrine is to claim that Jesus did not really die on the cross, but that was only an illusion. jt: Only I am not saying any of the above David and what I believe is not gnostic, nor is it from Islam. I believe the scriptures. The mystery of God is wrapped up in this understanding of Christ coming in the flesh of man, of the seed of David and Abraham, and so once your spirit sees it, you can't understand why others are blind to the miracle of God in the flesh. jt: God the Word come in the flesh is one thing. A fallen God in sinful flesh is another. Being born of a woman who is of the seed of David and Abraham is one thing. The iniquities of the fathers come down through the male. Jesus had no earthly father; this is a point all of you ignore. Judy will continue to argue with her mind, but eventually, perhaps in prayer, perhaps when she least expects it, the Spirit will reveal even this unto her. jt: I believe the Spirit has shown me these truths David; we are not supposed to leave our minds at the door. David Miller ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
