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Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness.
Abraham lived in Ur of the Chaldees which was every bit as pagan as China,
they worshipped the moon goddess Nana there
God's Word tells us that we can know by the "creation" around us that there
is a God. The decision to seek and/or trust rests
with us. I happen to believe that God's call was to all ppl in all
generations. Abraham responded.
I expect to hear some balking from the Calvinists but this is the
understanding given to me.... judyt
Everyone is born into this world with an equal opportunity to
choose who they will serve
DAVEH: I hope you don't mind me
jumping into your exchange with JD, Judy. Do you have any Biblical
evidence to support your above theory? If not, then can you explain
how.....
1) A Chinese person born 2,000 years ago would have had
the same equal opportunity to choose as did somebody born in Jerusalem
at the same time?
2) Or, a Chinese person born 100 years ago
would have had the same equal opportunity to choose as somebody born in
the Bible Belt?
3) Or a person born in China who was born 100
years before Jesus had the same equal opportunity to choose as one who
lived in Jerusalem at the time of Christ?
IOW.....How as a Christian well rooted and having the knowledge of Christ
readily available from the time you were born, and perhaps relatives to guide
your in your walk in his footsteps, do you think the above mentioned examples
of the Chinese guy born in a non-Christian society really do have equal
opportunity to choose who they will serve? To me it seems there is a
definite inequality in the circumstances in which people are born, and in
having an equal opportunity to choose who they will serve to even hear
Jesus' name, let alone accept him as their Savior, or choose to follow and
serve him when they do not have the opportunity to hear the
gospel.
I can see where you might think Jesus would
accept all men equally, but to say that all men are born into the world with
equal opportunity seems a bit of a stretch. Is it theory, or is it
Biblical doctrine?
Judith H Taylor wrote:
Everyone is born into this world with an equal opportunity to
choose who they will serve.
along with the opportunity to grow in wisdom and grace - or in deceit
and darkness... judyt
What do you believe separates ppl at birth JD? judyt
I thought Dean was saying that all men are born
equal. That, of course, is not true. Some are way more stupid
than others, growing up without understanding nor the ability to
comprehend the deeper things of life. God loves them all, of
course, but that does not make then "equal."
jd
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Re: [TruthTalk] God female?
WRONG!!! JDS - God inspired all of it; the Holy Spirit did not
expire after Moses penned the
Pentateuch and God is a FATHER all the way through the
Bible. Father in Hebrew means Father
and guess what? Father in Greek also means Father.
Once again, this time it is John, not Lance
!! Using your example below, do you know the
difference between the Hebrew text and the English translation of
that text? God "inspired" the Hebrew text, Dean,
not the English translation of that text.
That is clearly and obvioiusly what I am saying.
You need a lexicon , NOT A DICTIONARY.
jd (or maybe it is Lance)
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Sent:
2/8/2006 5:20:35 PM
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Re: [TruthTalk] God female?
The culture gave us the language of a
masculine God, David. I am surprised you made
the same intellectual mistake as Dean.
jd
cd: So God directing the writing of Moses with the first
five book had nothing to do with what was written?Is this what
you are saying Lance.
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> Dean rightly understood that your premise was
that the Jewish CULTURE
> attributed masculinity to
God. Dean made a most excellent response to your
>
position.
>
> David Miller.
>
>
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> To: [email protected]
; [email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?
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> cd:
This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what
God
> is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if
they decide He is a calf?
>
> Good move, Dean
!!! Don't deal with the arugment presented claiming
>
ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in further
explanation
> in view of the fact that you did not unde
rstand what I wrote in the first
> place? Why is it
that you cliam to understand the biblical message but
>
cannot understand what I have said? Amazing. Intellectually,
we are not
> on the same planet. You, of course, being
much my superior.
>
> See ya,
>
>
jd
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To: [email protected];TruthTalk
> Cc: Dean Moore
> Sent: 2/8/2006 12:31:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?
>
>
> Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean.
>
> There is no sex with God. He is neither male or
female in a sexual sort of
> way. And why is the
masculine used? Ever heard of "cultural demands?"
>
Since God is not an "it," since He is a person, we must use
either
> maculine or feminine. The culture of the Jew
gave us the masculine
> reference. The fact of the
matter is bound to scripture -- namely Gen
> 1:27.
.................... you'll re c o g ni ze that reference
because it is the
> one you and Judy keep ignoring.
There, we have a clear (to most)
> revelation
concerning a small aspect of "God's image." Since one cannot
be
> both "male and female," since Adam AND Eve both
are the image of God,
> "the image of God" has little
to nothing to do the gender.
>
> jd
> cd:
This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what
God
> is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if
they decide He is a calf?
> Gen 1:27 So God created man
in his own image, in the image of God created he
> him;
male and female created he them.
> First this passage
says that God created man in his image- then it goes on
> to say He created both males and females.I see no
contradictions to me
> statements here-unless one
believe there is no difference between males and
>
females. He is the mescaline. I realize you cannot understand
this but maybe
> others can John..The below says that m
an wa s cre ated in the image of God
> ,"BUT" women was
is the glory of man. Clearly a difference is shown.
>
1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head,
forasmuch as he is
> the image and glory of God: but
the woman is the glory of the man.
> cd: As you didn't
receive this the first time-I am resending it-God has a
> masculine nature.Jesus had a masculine nature and a
masculine body.
> Masculine
> M`ASCULINE, a. [L.
masculinus, from masculus, mas..]
> 1. Having the
qualities of a man; strong; robust; as a masculine body.
> 2. Resembling man; coarse; opposed to delicate or
soft; as masculine
> features.
> 3. Bold; brave;
as a masculine spirit or courage.
> 4. In grammar,the
masculine gender of words is that which expresses a male,
> or something analogous to it; or it is the gender
appropriated to males,
> though not always expressing
the male sex.
>
>
>
>
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BR>> ; From: "Dean Moore"
>
> cd: Here is another
Bibical spirit that is a male?
> 1Sa 28:8 And Saul
disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went,
> and two men with him, and they came to the woman by
night: and he said, I
> pray thee, divine unto me by
the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom
> I
shall name unto thee.
> 1Sa 28:9 And the woman said
unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath
> done,
how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the
wizards,
> out of the land: wherefore then layest thou
a snare for my life, to cause me
> to die?
> 1Sa
28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD
liveth,
> there shall no punishment happen to thee for
this thing.
> 1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall
I bring up unto thee? And he said,
> Bring me up
Samuel.
> 1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she
cried with a loud voice: and
> ; th e woman sp ok e to
S aul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art
> Saul.
> 1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her,
Be not afraid: for what sawest thou?
> And the woman
said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
> 1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of?
And she said, An old man
> cometh up; and he is covered
with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was
> Samuel,
and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
> 1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou
disquieted me, to bring me
> up? And Saul answered, I
am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war
>
against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no
more, neither
> by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I
have called thee, that thou mayest
> make known unto me
what I shall do
> 1Sa 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore
then dost thou ask of me, seeing the
> LORD is departed
from thee, and is become thine enemy?
> 1Sa 28:1 7 And
the L ORD hath d one to him, as he spoke by me: for the LORD
> hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it
to thy neighbor, even
> to David:
> 1Sa 28:18
Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor
executedst
> his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore
hath the LORD done this thing unto
> thee this day.
>
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always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how
> you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
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