When you talk about what we do as judges, do you mean in the resurrection when we judge angels or now? I don't understand what you are trying to say or why this would make any difference.
The passages for your point of view are not as direct as the ones that I shared. The 1 Cor. 5 passage has to do with the church judging someone in sin within the church. It speaks of driving a person out of relationship with the church, so it argues against your paragraph which said, "drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God." Your other passage in Romans does not concern sin, but rather judging others in their personal convictions. It supports what you are trying to say, but not in the context in which you apply it (street preaching). Also, it speaks of those IN the church, not those OUTSIDE the church. It says nothing about whether or not we should testify to the world that fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, murderers, thieves, liars, the covetous, cowards and sissies will not inherit the kingdom of God. The passages I shared were not just about what God does as judge. The two witnesses are men, not God. I can bring up many other similar passages. Furthermore, what Jesus does in the form of judging while on earth is our example of how we ought to judge. There are ways in which Jesus did not judge, and there are ways in which he did judge. Those he sent out did the same work as he did, polarizing people such that some were moved away from God while others were moved closer to God. The criterium of people moving away from God is a sign that God is at work. Don't be blind about this. As for the notion that I judge the world, that is utterly foolish. I do not judge anyone. I testify that their deeds are evil and that every person will be judged one day. I testify that Christ has come and now calls all men to repentance. I preach the forgiveness of sins and the resurrection of the dead. I call men and women to repent and enter the kingdom of God. I continue the work of Jesus Christ, and I don't judge others any more than Jesus judged others when he ministered here in the flesh. David Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. My comment has to do with what we do as "judges." Your scripture has to do with what God does as judge. I would have thought you would have noted the difference with my comment. Obviously not. I have given you the scriptures that have to do with my point of view (I Cor 5:11-13 and Romans 14:4). I would cite other scriptures such as those that speak of love for the brethren, but you guys do not have the same understanding of love as others on this forum. Harshness and judgmentalism of tone drives more away from Christ and causes more harm in that regard than all the fussin' you guys do with your signs and the perfect signage message!!! You judge the world when told not to and you judge your brethren when told not to. Any comments regarding the error of my message seem rather humorous coming from those who disregard so much for the sake of macho evangelism. jd -------------- Original message -------------- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > JD wrote: > > It appears there are two judges -- > > The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment > > has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship > > [and such is the only judgment presented to the > > modern day saint] , the judgment is easily assessed. > > Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not > > of God. "Impostor" is the only remaining conclusion. > > I hope you are not offended by my direct speech here, but this entire > paragraph is false doctrine. The idea that judgment that drives people > away > is an Imposter and not of God is clearly unbiblical. Such an idea comes > from a last days delusion that cannot endure sound doctrine but instead > seeks to give pleasure to itching ears. > > The role of judgment is to separate the wicked from the righteous. It is > polarizing. This is why Jesus said: > > Matthew 10:34-36 > (34) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send > peace, but a sword. > (35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the > daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in > law. > (36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. > > In these latter days, the spirit of Elijah comes, and it is most > manifested > in the two witnesses of Rev. 11. > > Revelation 11:5-7 > (5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and > devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this > manner be killed. > (6) These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their > prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite > the > ea rth with all plagues, as often as they will. > (7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that > ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall > overcome them, and kill them. > > Clearly these two witnesses are not Imposters. Their judgment is of God, > but it is not a redeeming judgment of grace that calls everyone to join a > particular Jesus club. The truth is that the days are rapidly approaching > when grace will be taken from the earth. The days are coming when men will > cry out to God for salvation, but God will not answer them nor deliver > them. > > David Miller > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how > you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be u nsubscribed. If you have a > friend > who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and > he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." 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