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IFO do, Dean.
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Sent: March 04, 2006 06:17
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *************
Moderator Comment**********
Moderator-Yes, you did John:
Simply read the 'subject' along
with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism,
self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my
case your honor.
Unless you can prove these above statements to be true.I
am giving you guys lead way to do just that. You have a point concerning where
does Ad. Hom begin (eg. To a person directly or to his family) and Kevin
had an earlier point of : If it is the truth is it Ad. Hom.(eg. Is calling a
Liar a liar Ad.Hom?)? This is a difficult problem to solve so I am now
thinking that it is ok to call another a liar if you can prove they are lying
or give another good explanation of why you did so. If not one should
apologize? Do you think this is fair?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 3/4/2006 5:34:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *************
Moderator Comment**********
Dean:Did either of us cross any boundary lines
in our engagement?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 03, 2006 18:42
Subject: [TruthTalk] *************
Moderator Comment**********
Kevin/Lance Good debate but remember to stay within
boundaries of Ad. Hom attacks-which I will set clearly after David M
posting of my conduct.I also will addressee the "reply to moderator
postings in private" at that time. You have the floor David-Think you can
hold onto it?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 3/3/2006 7:58:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
"Ye compass land and sea............" I
couldn't have chosen a subject that is more apropo. In a wierd kind of
way I suppose, I should thank TT for continued examples...
----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 03, 2006 07:35
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
I send you link after link on RC's being tried by the
International court, you tell me what someone told you.
Facts VS Hearsay
You choose the latter, is it to protect your RC
friends? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
If this sampling of repartee is as good
as it gets.....(oh yah! my ideology can beat up your ideology! )
then, perspectivalism thy name is Truth(?)talk!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 03, 2006
07:17
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
FACT- Hearsay
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
In FACT I have my FACTS straight.
My source for my FACTS was in Rwanda. FACT: I've known this
person for 15 years. FACT:He is a (non RCC)
Christian.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 03, 2006
06:44
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Then why do you blame "Christians" for Rwandan genocide
when it was ROMAN CATholics?
The earth is flat, we did't
actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the
moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric,
alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day
young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?),
RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is
flawless, the trilateral commission works for the good
of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it
should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin
free.
Of course facts matter and,
they are not irrelevant.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 03, 2006
06:16
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Facts are such STUBBORN
things....
Simply read the 'subject'
along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger,
judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of
the posts of some. I rest my case your
honor.
----- Original Message
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Sent: March 02,
2006 19:08
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated
the genocide were believers.
WRONG AGAIN
Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them
in with Catholic KILLERS.
You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts
irrelevant to you?
Maybe you need a program so you can tell
apart the players?
Rwandan nuns were convicted of
murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis
who sought protection at a Benedictine
convent.
I think that means it was those loving
catholics again!
Same old RC
Church as it ever was:
an international court is trying several
Catholic priests for their alleged
role in the massacres, in which Hutus murdered 800,000
minority Tutsis and moderate Hutus
Father Seromba's trial at the
International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda
will revive heated debate about the role of the
Catholic Church during the dark days of 1994. The
Catholic hierarchy in Rwanda had close ties to
extremist politicians in the run up to the genocide
and some priests like Father Seromba
are accused of actively assisting the Hutu militias.
In 2001, two nuns were
found guilty of taking part in the genocide
in a Belgian court. The
Vatican accepts there are individuals in the church
who committed crimes, but
controversially, it says the Church as an institution
cannot be held to blame. At the time of the genocide,
some 60% of Rwandans were Catholic
but some have since converted to Islam, saying the
Church failed them in 1994.
http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/21165 Rwanda
was the most Christianized country in Africa and the
Roman Catholics were far and away the largest
Christian denomination. Catholicism was
virtually the official state religion.
Catholic officials had enormous influence at both the
elite and the grassroots level, which they
consistently failed to use to protest against the
governments overtly racist policies and practices.
Indeed, the Church gave the government moral
authority. Once the genocide began, Catholic
leaders in the main refused to condemn the government,
never used the word genocide, and many individual
priests and nuns actually aided the
genocidaires.
This is just another show of what happens when
the Catholics & the Government are in BED
TOG$TH$R
AbSOLUTE ANNIHILATION whether it was then or now.
Call it genocide if you want I call it the TRUE
BELIEVER doing service to their 'god'
Catholic and Reformed Catholic are just as
TOLERANT as the Muslim
GENOCIDE IS Roman
Catholicism!
"And I saw
the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and
with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus..."
See the HIGHLITES of their HISTORY
below>>>>>
Argument 2d. Experience shows that terror is
not effective. I reply, EXPERIENCE PROVES THE
CONTRARYFOR THE DONATISTS, MANICHEANS, AND ALBIGENSES
WERE ROUTED, AND ANNIHILATED BY ARMS.
-- Robert Bellarmine, Disputationes de Controversiis,
Tom. ii, Lib. III, cap. XXII, "Objections Answered,"
1682 edition.
Roman Catholic Ustaa 1941 to 1943,
the regime slaughtered at least (estimates range up to
1 million) 250,000 Serb residents of Croatia and
Bosnia, and more than 20,000 Jews.
1941-JUL-22, Dr. Mile Budak, the
Ustaa
Minister of Education and
Cults, said: "The
movement of the Ustashi is based on religion.
For minorities-Serbs, Jews and Gypsies, we have three
million bullets. We shall kill one part of the
Serbs. We shall transport another, and the rest of
them will be forced to embrace the Roman
Catholic religion. Thus, our new Croatia will get
rid of all Serbs in our midst in order to become
one hundred percent Catholic within ten
years."
Inquisition: It has been
estimated by careful and reputed historians of the
Catholic Inquisition that 50 million people were
slaughtered for the crime of "heresy" by Roman
persecutors between the A.D. 606 and the middle of the
19th century. By their own (RC) count 125,000 trials
of suspected heretics in Spain alone, in Portugal, 5.7
percent of the more than 13,000 people tried before
church tribunals in the 16th and early 17th century
were condemned to death.
Clarks Martyrology counts the number of
Waldensian martyrs during the first
half of the 13th century in France alone at two
million. From A.D. 1160-1560 the Waldensians that
dwelt in the Italian Alps were visited with 36
different fierce persecutions that spared neither
age nor sex (Thomas Armitage, A History of the
Baptists, "Post-Apostolic Times -- The
Waldensians," 1890). They were almost
completely destroyed as a people and most of
their literary record was erased
from the face of the earth.
From the year
1540 to 1570 "it is proved by national authentic
testimony, that nearly one million of
Protestants were publicly put to death in various
countries in Europe, besides all those who were
privately destroyed, and of whom no human
record exists" (J.P. Callender,
Illustrations of Popery, 1838, p. 400).
"From the birth of Popery in 606 to
the present time, it is estimated by careful and
credible historians, that more than
fifty
millions of the human family, have been
slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish
persecutors, an average of more than forty thousand
religious murders for every year of the existence of
popery." -- "History of Romanism," pp.
541, 542. New York: 1871.
These are no
kin of mine.
Maybe they are
your forefathers?
That is why you
are trying to cover?
Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You are far too
sophisticated for this old boy from Canada, Kevin.
Believers (DM seems to prefer this word over
'Christians'. I honestly think that if you're one of
'em then, it doesn't really matter what you call
'em.) are capable of doing some bad stuff. Some
of that 'bad stuff' is really bad stuff.
For example: Some of
those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were
believers. There are other examples but, I'll leave
it there.
'NEW WORLD ORDER'???
You're not one of those conspiracy theory types are
you?
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: March
01, 2006 20:21
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Lance wrote:
Believers in all religions are
equal opportunity 'throat
slitters'
In one little statement you
accomplish:
1)Your affinity with murderous religious
thugs (since you are a member of the set "ALL
RELIGIONS")
2)The inability of true believers to
understand Jesus words
Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered,
My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom
were of this world, then would my servants fight,
that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but
now is my kingdom not from hence.
3) make the victims of the drownings,
hangings, burnings, & the sword deserving
of such treatment and as morally wrong as
the religious murderers (RC & Reformed
RC's) (surely in your eyes being a part of
"all religions" they would do the same.
In spite of the historical facts that some do
not have BLOOD on their hands!)
Jhn 16:2 They shall put
you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh,
that whosoever killeth you will think that he
doeth God service.
The OLD WORLD ORDER is the same as the NEW
WORLD ORDER
The names have been changed to protect the
guilty.
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