Re: [TruthTalk] ************* Moderator Comment**********

Sat, 04 Mar 2006 06:46:51 -0800

This is to be expected since Lance AVOIDS answering questions and AVOIDS certain subjects. Especially if they are too close to home.
In addition since he is not able to deal with the issues at hand, nor able to rationaly discuss such, ALL that is left is the SHOUTING!
'spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!)

Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Moderator-Yes, you did John:
Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.
Unless you can prove these above statements to be true.I am giving you guys lead way to do just that. You have a point concerning where does Ad. Hom begin (eg. To a person directly or to his family) and Kevin had an earlier point of : If it is the truth is it Ad. Hom.(eg. Is calling a Liar a liar Ad.Hom?)? This is a difficult problem to solve so I am now thinking that it is ok to call another a liar if you can prove they are lying or give another good explanation of why you did so. If not one should apologize? Do you think this is fair?
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Lance Muir
Sent: 3/4/2006 5:34:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ************* Moderator Comment**********

Dean:Did either of us cross any boundary lines in our engagement?
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dean Moore
Sent: March 03, 2006 18:42
Subject: [TruthTalk] ************* Moderator Comment**********

  Kevin/Lance Good debate but remember to stay within boundaries of Ad. Hom attacks-which I will set clearly after David M posting of my conduct.I also will addressee  the "reply to moderator postings in private" at that time. You have the floor David-Think you can hold onto it?
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Lance Muir
Sent: 3/3/2006 7:58:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

"Ye compass land and sea............" I couldn't have chosen a subject that is more apropo. In a wierd kind of way I suppose, I should thank TT for continued examples...
----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 03, 2006 07:35
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

I send you link after link on RC's being tried by the International court, you tell me what someone told you.
Facts VS Hearsay
You choose the latter, is it to protect your RC friends?

Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If this sampling of repartee is as good as it gets.....(oh yah! my ideology can beat up your ideology! ) then, perspectivalism thy name is Truth(?)talk!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 03, 2006 07:17
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

FACT- Hearsay

Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In FACT I have my FACTS straight. My source for my FACTS was in Rwanda. FACT: I've known this person for 15 years. FACT:He is a (non RCC) Christian. 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 03, 2006 06:44
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Then why do you blame "Christians" for Rwandan genocide when it was ROMAN CATholics?
 
Get your facts straight.

Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless, the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.
 
Of course facts matter and, they are not irrelevant. 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Facts are such STUBBORN things....
 
Are they irrelevant in your opinion?

Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.
 
WRONG AGAIN
Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS.
You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?
 
Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the players?
Rwandan nuns were convicted of murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis who sought protection at a Benedictine convent.
I think that means it was those loving catholics again!
 
Same old RC Church as it ever was:
an international court is trying several Catholic priests for their alleged role in the massacres, in which Hutus murdered 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate Hutus
 
Catholic World News: http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=39498
Kigali, Sep. 08, 2005 (CWNews.com) - Authorities in Rwanda have arrested a Belgian Catholic priest on charges related to the genocidal massacres of 1994.
 
Father Seromba's trial at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda will revive heated debate about the role of the Catholic Church during the dark days of 1994. The Catholic hierarchy in Rwanda had close ties to extremist politicians in the run up to the genocide and some priests like Father Seromba are accused of actively assisting the Hutu militias.
In 2001, two nuns were found guilty of taking part in the genocide in a Belgian court. The Vatican accepts there are individuals in the church who committed crimes, but controversially, it says the Church as an institution cannot be held to blame. At the time of the genocide, some 60% of Rwandans were Catholic but some have since converted to Islam, saying the Church failed them in 1994.
 
http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/21165  Rwanda was the most Christianized country in Africa and the Roman Catholics were far and away the largest Christian denomination. Catholicism was virtually the official state religion. Catholic officials had enormous influence at both the elite and the grassroots level, which they consistently failed to use to protest against the government’s overtly racist policies and practices. Indeed, the Church gave the government moral authority. Once the genocide began, Catholic leaders in the main refused to condemn the government, never used the word genocide, and many individual priests and nuns actually aided the genocidaires.
This is just another show of what happens when the Catholics & the Government are in BED TOG$TH$R
AbSOLUTE ANNIHILATION whether it was then or now.
Call it genocide if you want I call it the TRUE BELIEVER doing service to their 'god'
Catholic and Reformed Catholic are just as TOLERANT as the Muslim
 
GENOCIDE IS Roman Catholicism!
"And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus..."
See the HIGHLITES of their HISTORY below>>>>>
 
Argument 2d. ‘ Experience shows that terror is not effective.’ I reply, EXPERIENCE PROVES THE CONTRARY—FOR THE DONATISTS, MANICHEANS, AND ALBIGENSES WERE ROUTED, AND ANNIHILATED BY ARMS. -- Robert Bellarmine, Disputationes de Controversiis, Tom. ii, Lib. III, cap. XXII, "Objections Answered," 1682 edition.
 
St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre of 24 August – 17 September 1572, Catholics killed many Huguenots in Paris & other towns: estimated total death toll of 70,000
Roman Catholic Ustaša 1941 to 1943, the regime slaughtered at least (estimates range up to 1 million) 250,000 Serb residents of Croatia and Bosnia, and more than 20,000 Jews.
1941-JUL-22, Dr. Mile Budak, the Ustaša Minister of Education and Cults, said: "The movement of the Ustashi is based on religion. For minorities-Serbs, Jews and Gypsies, we have three million bullets. We shall kill one part of the Serbs. We shall transport another, and the rest of them will be forced to embrace the Roman Catholic religion. Thus, our new Croatia will get rid of all Serbs in our midst in order to become one hundred percent Catholic within ten years."
 
 
Inquisition: It has been estimated by careful and reputed historians of the Catholic Inquisition that 50 million people were slaughtered for the crime of "heresy" by Roman persecutors between the A.D. 606 and the middle of the 19th century. By their own (RC) count 125,000 trials of suspected heretics in Spain alone, in Portugal, 5.7 percent of the more than 13,000 people tried before church tribunals in the 16th and early 17th century were condemned to death.
Clark’s Martyrology counts the number of Waldensian martyrs during the first half of the 13th century in France alone at two million. From A.D. 1160-1560 the Waldensians that dwelt in the Italian Alps were visited with 36 different fierce persecutions that spared neither age nor sex (Thomas Armitage, A History of the Baptists, "Post-Apostolic Times -- The Waldensians," 1890). They were almost completely destroyed as a people and most of their literary record was erased from the face of the earth.

From the year 1540 to 1570 "it is proved by national authentic testimony, that nearly one million of Protestants were publicly put to death in various countries in Europe, besides all those who were privately destroyed, and of whom no human record exists" (J.P. Callender, Illustrations of Popery, 1838, p. 400).
 
"From the birth of Popery in 606 to the present time, it is estimated by careful and credible historians, that more than fifty millions of the human family, have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors, an average of more than forty thousand religious murders for every year of the existence of popery." -- "History of Romanism," pp. 541, 542. New York: 1871.
 
 
These are no kin of mine.
Maybe they are your forefathers?
That is why you are trying to cover?
 
 

Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You are far too sophisticated for this old boy from Canada, Kevin. Believers (DM seems to prefer this word over 'Christians'. I honestly think that if you're one of 'em then, it doesn't really matter what you call 'em.) are capable of doing some bad stuff. Some of that 'bad stuff' is really bad stuff.
For example: Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers. There are other examples but, I'll leave it there.
 
'NEW WORLD ORDER'??? You're not one of those conspiracy theory types are you? 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 01, 2006 20:21
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Lance wrote: Believers in all religions are equal opportunity 'throat slitters'
 
In one little statement you accomplish:
1)Your affinity with murderous religious thugs (since you are a member of the set "ALL RELIGIONS")
2)The inability of true believers to understand Jesus words
Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
3) make the victims of the drownings, hangings, burnings, & the sword deserving of such treatment and as morally wrong as the religious murderers (RC & Reformed RC's)  (surely in your eyes being a part of "all religions" they would do the same.
In spite of the historical facts that some do not have BLOOD on their hands!)
Jhn 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
 
The OLD WORLD ORDER is the same as the NEW WORLD ORDER
The names have been changed to protect the guilty.
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