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Sent: March 23, 2006 16:20
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] on
Creationism
Daivd, I have several books on my shelves written by
Christian scientists proclaiming some version of theistic
evolution.
Secondly, you and are both members of the fundamentalist
community. If you have missed the M.O. of any number of our
brethren, I haven't.
Look at Pat Robertson. A Dufus of major proportions. He
has his foot in his mouth so often they now measure that cavity in
terms of shoe size !!
The cause of Christ would become even more difficult if
we allowed this to happen. At least the way it
is now, we (the Christian community) can somewhat hide these guys from
society. The KKK was made up of mostly Christian
claiming people.
Can you imagine? "OK, students, we have just
completed our study on evolution from a scientific point of
view. Now , we enter into the Christian notion of creation
-- or should I say the several versions of same !! (and the
teacher smiles.) We only had space in the text book for five such
theories. I personally do not believe any of them -- and I
need to make that clear to you before "they" pass some law that says I
cannot influence your thinking with such a statement -- but I will
do the best I can. Before I begin, how many of you care
about any of this ........... show of hands,
please ............. I said "show of ...."
............. oh, I get get it. Well , we have to consider each of
these accounts of creation, anyway, and there will be a
test. I must say, it seems a bit odd for me. I mean, I wil l
be making a presentation of a biblical nature, but , of course, we
are not permitted to present from the Bible -- so I really do not
know why this is not being done in church .. but here
goes ..........................................................."
jd
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From: "David Miller"
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I really do not understand how it is that you think Fundies have
destroyed any opportunity for creationism in schools. The problem is
that the scientific establishment has taken the position that any mention of
a Creator departs from science. Lance's position of theistic evolution
is flatly rejected by science. So the Fundies are not hindering
creationism in schools. Scientists are. Are you really blind to
this fact?
David Miller
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:06
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] on
Creationism
With much debate, the Fundies destroy any opportunity to place
"creationism" into the school programs for the reason stated below.
Amen.
And, again, a foot in the door would only allow the warring
hordes (Rad Fundies) to swarm our educational institutions and run
helter skelter -- yelling and screaming at each other while,
at the very same time, claiming victory for the Right Side.
Scary.
jd
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From: "Lance Muir"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
There are as many 'species' of creationists
as fish. Put a million of 'em at the keyboards of computers and they'd
come up with.....well...what they've already come up with. I rest my
case your honor.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 23, 2006 06:44
Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams
on Creationism
Why advocate teaching what you don't know
JD? As has already been noted "Only when we prove
evolution do we need to concern ourselves
with "harmonizing" evolutionism with theism. Evidence
that
this level of proof has not been achieved
includes the long list of scientists and others who have
abandoned
Darwinism because they became convinced that
the scientific evidence DOES NOT support it. So why
would you want to warp young minds with
useless information that is not proven? judyt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm talking about fundy creationist versions in the school
systems and you are talking about religious
people!!! Amazing
Maybe we should install a different creationist version for
every major school system
.................... I am sure we can find enough
fundy ideas to go around. That way , you would have to
worry about consensus and no one will have the slightest idea
what to believe. but you and Kev will be happy.
CONSENSUS BE DAMNED. KNOW THE TRUTH AND IT SHALL MAKE
YOU FREE !! jd
From:
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I surmised as much JD; my point being
that religious ppl have many
and varied points of view about
anything and everything and this is no
measure by which to gauge what is
needful or true.
Do you even know what this thread is about,
Judy?
WHICH VIEW OF CREATIONISM GETS INTO THE CIRRICULUM
-- HUH ???
From:
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
So?
There isn't a single view of the
whole church that is agreed upon
by the whole church either.
What does that prove? judyt
Perhaps the Bishop has the same concerns I
do. I know this --
there isn't a single view of creationism that is
agreed upon by the whole church.
jd
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From: "David Miller"
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John wrote:
> The world in which we live would reject
> any mention of God in the evolutionary
process,
> IMO. But creationism in the
schools? Could
> that not be considered the beginnings of a
fanatical
> fundamentalist take-over of the culture?
ROTFLOL. I sure hope you were being
facetious on purpose.
John wrote:
> But to allow a mere statement that
suggests God
> is somehow in control as the
Creator(?) If this
> could be presented into the secular system of
> education without it being coopted by the
fundies
> -- go for it. But I doubt
that it can. What a shame
> that radical fundamentalism within
Christiandom forces
> the Body to dismiss a perfectly wonderful
opportunity
> to introduce the Creator to others.
In case you did not notice, the
fundamentalists are not causing the acknowledgement
of our Creator to be forbidden in schools. It
is the liberal loonies like this Archbishop of
Canterbury who are doing this.
David Miller
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