On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Cédric Krier <[email protected]> wrote: > On 19/11/11 19:34 -0300, Luis Falcon wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Cédric Krier <[email protected]> wrote: >> > On 19/11/11 17:26 -0300, Luis Falcon wrote: >> >> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Cédric Krier <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > On 28/09/11 19:31 +0200, Cédric Krier wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> >> I was looking at Elveos [1] and I thought that it could be a good >> >> >> place to get >> >> >> some Tryton features collaboratively funded. >> >> >> What do you think? Should we promote it on the website? >> >> > >> >> > Here is a proposal to promote elveos on the Tryton website: >> >> > >> >> > http://moretus.b2ck.com:8000/ >> >> > >> >> > What do you think? >> >> Having it on your B2CK is your decision. >> > >> > This is not only for B2CK! Anyone is *free* to make an offer for any >> > feature request or to ask for any one. And the system is controled by a >> > third party, not B2CK. >> Sure. That's just what I said. It's your decision. It reminds me the >> OpenERP disastrous "funded projects". > > And we just proved that it is working.
Thymbra donated to support the cause, but not because of the "pay-it-or-beat-it" concept. Tomorrow someone will say in order to get the upgrade or migration script, you will have to pay.... I've seen this before.... vendor lock-in. GNU Solidario migrated GNU Health from OpenERP to Tryton because it was a democratic, community-based project. So, today, we'll be using the Tryton infrastructure as a starting point. It is my wish to keep it the way it is, but if things go in the wrong direction, GPL provides the tools to ensure the community a truly free framework, so no more migrations :-) We need the Tryton foundation. A NON-PROFIT organization, independent from any private company. > >> > >> >> I don't agree with the concept, so I would not put it on the Tryton >> >> homepage. >> > >> > I think we all know now that you don't want to be paid for development, >> > but it is not the case for every others. >> > But just think about that: without B2CK being paid by different parties >> > and customers for almost all the current Tryton's modules, the Tryton >> > project would be just a dream. >> > >> > More over, I don't see the difference between this and the service page >> > [1] on which you asked to be referenced. >> Completely different story. Thymbra offers services around Tryton, as >> B2CK offers services about GNU Health, as both companies agreed and >> signed ( B2CK is at the GNU Health services site >> http://health.gnu.org/services.html ) >> Thymbra will never put an add asking for money to develop something. >> So, in the same way that I will never put an add like that in GNU >> Solidario site, I don't think that should be in the Tryton homepage. >> I would appreciate not to make public private documents between >> Thymbra and B2CK, less in a public mailing list. It is not >> professional. Send me an private email if you want to discuss about >> it. > > I never talked about any private document. > I think you are completly mixing B2CK and Tryton. > Please read the second sentence of [1]. As your company is listed, it is > public that you asked to be there. But if you don't want that's fine, > we will remove it. I think that the only one who is mixing - badly - Tryton and B2CK is you. Thymbra deserves to be named on Tryton official website by its own merit, the same as the other providers are. > >> >> I think that once the Tryton foundation is created, we can put a >> >> "donate" button (with no specific amount) in the Tryton hompage, and >> >> fundings will go to the Foundation, which would be perfect. >> > >> > Not better than any other solutions. >> > Except that we have only sale 1 t-shirt in 3 years which was like a >> > donation for Tryton as all the benefit was for developing and fund >> > the infrastructure. That did not even pay the servers for 1 month. >> That is something that has to do with how B2CK deals with their >> marketing strategies. You can't blame me or the community for this. > > I don't blame anybody. I just say that for now expecting such funding > without explicit goals doesn't seem to work. > Again, you are mixing B2CK and Tryton, the sale of t-shirt had nothing > to do with the marketing of B2CK. It was only on tryton.org and for > Tryton project. > >> I think that the Tryton foundation has to be independent from B2CK and >> the other service providers, and so it should the Tryton website. > > I find that promoting individuals or organisation that provides services > arround Tryton, will match the goals of the fundation which will be > promote, protect and develop. That's exactly what I say. But that is __not__ placing ads that say "pay for this functionality" in the official Tryton homepage. > >> If >> we look for the promotion and protection of Tryton, we should not put >> these type of ads, asking for money to develop something. It goes >> against development of the system. > > Why ? > >> Tryton main portal can not become a >> supermarket. > > What is the problem? > >> We can (and should) place the names of companies that will provide >> service around Tryton. > > This is in complet contradiction with what you just say above. > Please explain me what is the difference between promoting companies > that provide service around Tryton and promiting companies that provide > development service around Tryton? You misread it. Promotion of companies that contribute to Tryton in the official homepage is great. I would never make it an auction house though... is not good for the society. > > [1] http://www.tryton.org/services.html > > -- > Cédric Krier > > B2CK SPRL > Rue de Rotterdam, 4 > 4000 Liège > Belgium > Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 > Email/Jabber: [email protected] > Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ > -- [email protected] mailing list
