Fwiw, ick. I am hoping the pending UDP options  and their frag support while 
allowing frag traversal of NATs will help discourage use of TCP this way. 

Joe

> On Mar 7, 2018, at 9:04 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) <i...@kuehlewind.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> no, this is more a topic that we as the AD would like to discuss with the 
> community as we see more and more work that adds TCP encapsulation to all 
> kind of protocols for middlebox traversal issues. 
> 
> Mirja
> 
>> Am 07.03.2018 um 17:56 schrieb Tom Herbert <t...@herbertland.com>:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 7, 2018 8:16 AM, "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" <i...@kuehlewind.net> 
>> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> we plan to have a short (1h) TSV area meeting in London and are scheduled for
>> 
>> tsvarea Session 1 (1:00:00)
>>   Monday, Afternoon Session III 1740-1840
>>   Room Name: Sandringham size: 300
>> 
>> We just uploaded the planned agenda:
>> 
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/agenda-101-tsvarea
>> 
>> Besides the usual updates and status report, we are planning for a 
>> discussion about TCP encapsulation with a corresponding presentation about 
>> experience with TCP encapsulation for IKE.
>> 
>> Mirja,
>> 
>> Is there a draft or RFC for TCP encapsulation that is being discussed?
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
>> See you all in London!
>> 
>> Mirja and Spencer
>> 
> 

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