I guess in many cases the concern is simply that UDP is more often block than 
TCP…


> Am 07.03.2018 um 18:31 schrieb Joe Touch <to...@strayalpha.com>:
> 
> Fwiw, ick. I am hoping the pending UDP options  and their frag support while 
> allowing frag traversal of NATs will help discourage use of TCP this way. 
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On Mar 7, 2018, at 9:04 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) <i...@kuehlewind.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tom,
>> 
>> no, this is more a topic that we as the AD would like to discuss with the 
>> community as we see more and more work that adds TCP encapsulation to all 
>> kind of protocols for middlebox traversal issues. 
>> 
>> Mirja
>> 
>>> Am 07.03.2018 um 17:56 schrieb Tom Herbert <t...@herbertland.com>:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2018 8:16 AM, "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" <i...@kuehlewind.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> we plan to have a short (1h) TSV area meeting in London and are scheduled 
>>> for
>>> 
>>> tsvarea Session 1 (1:00:00)
>>>  Monday, Afternoon Session III 1740-1840
>>>  Room Name: Sandringham size: 300
>>> 
>>> We just uploaded the planned agenda:
>>> 
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/agenda-101-tsvarea
>>> 
>>> Besides the usual updates and status report, we are planning for a 
>>> discussion about TCP encapsulation with a corresponding presentation about 
>>> experience with TCP encapsulation for IKE.
>>> 
>>> Mirja,
>>> 
>>> Is there a draft or RFC for TCP encapsulation that is being discussed?
>>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> 
>>> See you all in London!
>>> 
>>> Mirja and Spencer
>>> 
>> 
> 

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