> On Mar 7, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) <i...@kuehlewind.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> I guess in many cases the concern is simply that UDP is more often block than 
> TCP…

Sure. Can’t do much about that motivation at the endpoints. 

Joe

> 
> 
>> Am 07.03.2018 um 18:31 schrieb Joe Touch <to...@strayalpha.com>:
>> 
>> Fwiw, ick. I am hoping the pending UDP options  and their frag support while 
>> allowing frag traversal of NATs will help discourage use of TCP this way. 
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2018, at 9:04 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) <i...@kuehlewind.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tom,
>>> 
>>> no, this is more a topic that we as the AD would like to discuss with the 
>>> community as we see more and more work that adds TCP encapsulation to all 
>>> kind of protocols for middlebox traversal issues. 
>>> 
>>> Mirja
>>> 
>>>> Am 07.03.2018 um 17:56 schrieb Tom Herbert <t...@herbertland.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 7, 2018 8:16 AM, "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" <i...@kuehlewind.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> we plan to have a short (1h) TSV area meeting in London and are scheduled 
>>>> for
>>>> 
>>>> tsvarea Session 1 (1:00:00)
>>>> Monday, Afternoon Session III 1740-1840
>>>> Room Name: Sandringham size: 300
>>>> 
>>>> We just uploaded the planned agenda:
>>>> 
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/agenda-101-tsvarea
>>>> 
>>>> Besides the usual updates and status report, we are planning for a 
>>>> discussion about TCP encapsulation with a corresponding presentation about 
>>>> experience with TCP encapsulation for IKE.
>>>> 
>>>> Mirja,
>>>> 
>>>> Is there a draft or RFC for TCP encapsulation that is being discussed?
>>>> 
>>>> Tom
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> See you all in London!
>>>> 
>>>> Mirja and Spencer
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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