On Wed, 2002-10-23 at 07:59, James Taylor wrote:
> 
> Again, you are correct, but that leanness comes at the cost of some
> complexity. Summit only accounts for the things Jason uses, which rules
> out tools, anything other than velocity for templating, probably other
> things... so the model may need to get more complex if we want to use it
> for turbine.

Adding tools is not a problem. It can be implemented as a Valve to
introduce tool processing into the pipeline. Someone familiar with tools
could probably jack in tools in a day or two. I'm not planning on using
tools per se for model representation (bob and I are making another tool
using Jaxen) but I will be using tools for utility type operations like
making links and such. And a tool is a tool so what I add can be used
for what people traditionally use tools for.

The JSP rendering code is there but doesn't adhere to the interfaces yet
but I will hook that in for fun. And I'm going to add a Jelly rendering
for fun in the next couple of days too.
 
> ( My understanding is that Jason never planned that, he is implementing
> what Zenplex needs to get Tambora out the door -- if we want to use it
> as the foundation for a new Turbine that is okay too though =)
> 
> > I applaud the attempts to have a TDK, but perhaps for new versions rather
> > than a TDK, some more thorough docs & Faq's might be easier for the dev
> > team, and more useful in the long run.
> 
> +1!!!! 
> 
> > I'll end this by thanking all the people who have over the time built
> > Turbine what it is today.  I'm impressed, and it's helped me a bunch.
> 
> After reading all the poll responses I have one big question:
> 
> There has been talk about providing some sort of optional compatibility
> layer for the next version of Turbine which would allow 2.2 apps to run
> out of the box on the new core. This would probably use aspects and
> namespace tricks and other magic.

A recompilation will be necessary but no source code changes. I
mentioned that I would start trying to make a compat layer if I got some
input.

> My opinion is that I (as a user) would never touch such a thing -- my
> 2.1 and 2.2 apps would continue to run on those platforms and any new
> apps or apps I am extending would get ported to the new platform. But
> that is only my opinion... how do 2.x users feel about this idea? 
> 
> Thanks,
> James
> 
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