On Thu, 2008-14-02 at 15:47 -0500, Mark Ramm wrote:
> Thanks for bringing all this up.
> 
> There was some talk about ripping newforms out of Django and using
> that, but I think we're pretty committed to ToscaWidgets.

I am +1 on trying hard to get TW polished before the above. We already
have great tutorials now from Chris A and Lee and others that work in
95% similar manner. No way should we waste that. And Alberto knows
pylons and is serious about making it work on both, also important.

> 
> We do need to add another couple core TW committers before I'll feel
> really happy about the dependency.  I'm personally a bit wary of
> having TG2 dependencies with a truck number < 3 (The truck number is
> the number of team-members that could be hit by a truck without the
> whole thing falling apart irrevocably.  (See also:
> http://www.jaredrichardson.net/blog/2005/08/02/)
> 
> In the case of ToscaWidgets it looks like Alberto has everything in
> his head, but I know a couple of people (florent, and chris) who seem
> to be able to navigate their way around pretty well.   I know both of
> them are running other major projects (TG1 and DBSprockets), but I'm
> at least not as worried as I was before.   But I would like to see
> another core developer on TW, and I'd like to see somebody step up and
> work on TW docs.
> 
> Fundamentally, at this point I think my only reservation about TW has
> to do with the Docs.   If there were more docs, there would be more
> users, if there were more users bugs and corner cases would be found
> and eliminated, and TW would be in good shape.   So, if you are
> willing to work on docs, I think we should consider committing
> ourselves 100% to TW ;)

I am willing to commit to work on docs IFF:

- It can wait till March, my sig other is at school and my margins are
financially suicidal right now. Must finish killing albatross this month
- I can get questions answered pretty quick, the code is definitely a
stretch past my level of just groking from the source, Alberto?
- Chris P is commited to ToscaWidgets for DBSprockets. It seems like
this is the case, Chris can you weigh in on this? Chris's dedication and
approach to DBSM ( ha ha!  new nickname! oh I kill me ... ) is very
impressive and if he is committed to TW then I am more comfortable
committing to it hoping it won't be a collapsed barn
- we get more developers with full access to tw repository so that if we
find issues people like Chris and Florent can just fix 'em as they see
fit ( maybe this is already the case? I dunno, same issue as Mark's )

Lee also expressed an interest in TW recently. I really believe if we
can get TW on a better path it can be awesome. But we really really need
to fix that barn before TG2.

( Insert plug for Karl Vogels "Producing Open Source Software",
fantastic read.)

iain



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