On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Kevin Horn <[email protected]> wrote:

> I like this pretty well, though I have a couple of suggestions


Thank you. Suggestions are always welcome.


> - this is a small thing, but I'd like to see the headers on the front page
> be a little more prominent.


I'm still new enough with the restructured text that it's easy for me to
have gotten the formatting wrong, or badly done. Personally, I'm not happy
with the headers being in italics. So, I'm still working on it.

Since it bothers other people, I'm going to add it to my TODO list for the
docs.

- a much bigger deal is the link to the Extetended TOC needs to be obvious
> and at the top of the page.  perhaps in a "note" or something.  The friendly
> narrative stuff you have going is great for new people, but there needs to
> be a shortcut for people who know where they are going and are using the
> docs as a reference.
>

The Extended TOC is something of an issue for me. I'm using it right now
because I haven't managed to reorganize everything the way I like. In the
end, I want it to go away entirely. Before you think I've lost my mind, I do
have a reason.

My goals for this reorganization are threefold:

   1. From the front page of the docs, it should be possible to reach
*any*page with no more than 5 clicks. 3 is the ideal, though that
might be overly
   ambitious.
   2. From the front page of the docs, a person new to TG should be able to
   find what they are looking for within 90 seconds (that's across all of those
   5 clicks, too).
   3. The docs should still make an effective reference for those who
   already know what they, and just need a quick refresher on some specific
   item.

If you take a look at the extended TOC, you'll see that it's already mostly
unnecessary. Check the source at
http://bitbucket.org/pedersen/tg_2_1_docs/src/tip/docs/toc.rst and you'll
see that, for almost everything (the Rough Docs being the only exception),
each section is just a table of contents for one of the pages linked off the
front page (tutorials, up and running, etc).

As such, it doesn't look like you would save any time, not even one single
mouse click, by going for the extended TOC.

The 90 seconds I mentioned above is for new users. For experienced users,
who don't need to read the intro paragraphs, should be looking at the docs
they need within 45 seconds, max, and 30 seconds, ideally.

So, what do you think? With those goals in mind, should I even focus any
efforts on the extended TOC, or just let it die out naturally when I reach
near the end of this set of updates?


> BTW, thanks for doing this, overall I think it's a great improvement (so
> far).
>

Thank you. It's still very much in an infancy type stage, but it is at least
a bit easier to find things so far. At least, I think so.

-- 
Michael J. Pedersen
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         Yahoo/pedermj2002, MSN/[email protected]

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