Jorge Vargas wrote:
> On 11/10/06, Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > [In reply to the messages above, which contain typical justifications]
> >
> > > projects should really look a little at other implementations:
> > >
> > > http://db.apache.org/ojb/
> > >
> > > Providing a _standard_ OO interface is the most important need for the
> > > whol python domain.
> >
> > the OMG standard is not specific to java.
> >
> > > The turbogears project would benefit from a possible upgrade path to
> > > large-scale commercial ODBMS.
> > >
> > > http://odbms.org/
> >
> > A subset of a standard can be implemented, this _still_ gives a
> > migration path to other ODBMS systems.
> >
> > -
> >
> > I am basicly close before to drop python again (after selecting it in
> > preference to JAVA), mainly due to the missing persistency system and
> > _especially_ due to the inability of the community to bundle and
> > channelize efforts.
> >
> > Please realize:
> >
> > Not _one_ persistency system can fulfill thos _very_ _basic_
> > requirements:
> >
> > http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/Persist#Requirements
> >
> dude neither SQLObject or SQLAlchemy are supposed to be ODBMS, I think
> you can infer that from their names.
>
> if you really want an object database check out zope or buzhug something else.

I will not go further into this 'twisting-game'.

The technical facts are very clear.

TurboGears is essentially a toy as long as is cannot rely on a
industry-standard-compliant (at least a subset) persistency-layer.

I hope that the project-lead will realize this, despite the desperate
attemps of the community (essentially the overall python community) to
say "everything is fine".

> Please stop trying to lead things into what they are not.

[note to readers:
Maybe some friend of Mr. Vargas send's hime a private message,
explaining him that even prefixing the word "stop" with "please" keeps
up a rude tenor. I've see this "please stop" in context of a newcomer -
very annoying to see.]

.


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