On 11/14/06, Thomas  Weholt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've been a fan of Turbogears since the first announcement, but
> recently I've become more and more sceptical about using it. It's ok to
> build a framework on third-party modules, but in turbogears this is
> beginning to look crazy.

that's why you have setuptools to do it for you :)

> Just look at the list of packages listed at 
> http://www.turbogears.org/download/index.html.

I agree that list looks big but those are all the packages TG may
need, also see that many versions of the same package are in there. I
believe someone is working on adding to easy_install a list command
that will tell you exactly which packages are needed for X install.

 I don't know how many of
> these you absolutely need to get turbogears running, but all my
> attempts at downloading the latest release have failed lately because
> of some missing third-party module or something that won't compile.

OS? are you upgrading? maybe we are missing one of the binary eggs.

> This was no problem in the start of the project. It was a brilliant
> showcase of good use of setuptools. If there's a way around this, to
> download just the core modules you need to get started it should be
> better documented on the homepage. And as more and more users switch to
> python 2.5 turbogears lags behind because alot of the third-party
> modules aren't 2.5-compatible.
>
yes this is a concern http://docs.turbogears.org/1.0/Python2.5Support

currently our biggest drag back is ruledispatch which
http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears-trunk/browse_frm/thread/471d28a3dcaaa18a
is already 2.5 compatible.

I believe the only thing left for the full migration is someone that
sits and says "yes it's working"

> I've also tried to keep track of the progress of Turbogears using the
> trac.turbogears.org-site, but the roadmap shows little or no progress
> lately. Are there being done any serious work on the core issues?
>
actually the core issues right now are in docs.turbogears.org most of
the tickets at trac are small fixes and many many suggestions. I do
have to agree that I'll like to see more activity there.

> I wish my timeschedule allowed me more time to work on projects like
> this, then maybe I could really contribute and help solve some of the
> issues I've mentioned here. Many of you guys probably have the same
> problem. But anyway, keep up the good work. I *do* appreciate the work
> you do, even if this message might make you think I don't.

something as simple as pointing out where stuff needs to be done is a
good help, even go into trac and say I try this patch and it works ok
or I'll like this to be implemented is a big contribution

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