On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 09:54 -0800, Bob Ippolito wrote:
> On 1/20/07, Karl Guertin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On 1/20/07, Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Pylons and TurboGears are practically the same thing if you're using
> > > SQLAlchemy, since none of the TG admin tools really do you any good in
> > > that case.
> >
> > I know, but I'm comfortable with TG.
> 
> I was too... but I've never liked anything about CherryPy. Pylons
> gives me all of the good things about TG (that worked with SQLAlchemy
> anyway) and gets rid of the parts I didn't like. I am looking forward
> to seeing what happens with the next major revision of TG, but as-is I
> don't find TG compelling anymore now.

I'd be interested in knowing what you dislike about CherryPy, I've been
using it quite a lot recently, and found it to be very transparent, and
well documented - to the point I almost wonder why they felt the need
for a new version!

I'm prejudiced against Paste, partly because I don't really get what it
is, and partly because the parts of Turbogears that seem to give me the
most headaches (SQLObject and Formencode) have websites with the same
templates as the Paste website :-)

> 
> > > The internals to Pylons make more sense to me because it's based on
> > > lighter weight stuff than CherryPy (paste and WSGI). It's also a
> > > breeze to debug with EvalException.
> >
> > There's an option to enable EvalException debugging in TG by setting
> > tg.fancy_exception = True, but the CSS was messed up last I checked.
> 
> Yeah, there's a big difference between what Pylons has and what TG
> has. Pylons has some little additions to EvalException that make it
> quite aesthetically pleasing and easy to use. I didn't have nearly the
> same experience w/ the EvalException in TG.

You've just led me to discover this in TurboGears.  I've been
complaining that interactive debugging of turbogears is too hard for
ages, and I had no idea this existed.  Thanks!

-- 
Peter Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Qustom


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