On 2/5/07, iain duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Now I really dislike the way the term "user" has been used on this > > thread, first of all everyone here is a programmer or wants to be, > > second we all are here because we think python is better for webapps > > then any of the mayor deployed technologies, so we are not average > > user not average programmers. So thinks like expecting your users to > > <insert task here> are just totally out of place, I'll accept that > > kind of argument if we where programming something like wesnoth or > > even a tool like azureus. But saying that you can't contribute here > > because your "an user" it's just not acceptable at least to me. Now > > saying that you are a newbie that doesn't understand much of the > > internals that's fine but then help on something else. > > I'm sorry, but the above is totally ridiculous. To say that just because > someone is a good enough programmer to start *using* tg that they should > then also
you got it totally wrong is not that everyone should be doing what you say below is that too many people are taking and not giving back and in this type of community the giving back should be more then in others since the overall level is higher - have time to develop > - have time to doc why not? I mean your getting something out of it. > - be good enough to do the above > - feel obligated to do the aboe > actually no one is obligating anyone to do anything is a vast oversimplification. And is guaranteed to turn off potential > new users. If I didn't think your attitude towards that was in the > minority of the dev core, it would turn me right off from contributing > to TG. actually that aptitude is what has me mad people giving warning about "things that will turn off new users". There is a very very big difference between the python chops to > use TG and to develop TG. which is bad very bad most people think of TG as a big black box which will end up in > And if you can't see that, than you certainly > won't be able to write docs appropriate for the *new* tg user. actually the flew docs I have written start so low that they hurt and go to the full dept of it take for example http://docs.turbogears.org/1.0/LoggingSystem and judge based on facts. and as Karl pointed out I wrote that without even knowing what the python logging api looked like and yes the original was a long time ago 9 months according to trac http://trac.turbogears.org/wiki/logging?version=5 Unless > you think TG should be so elitist as not to cater to these new users? > > Writing docs is like *teaching*. I have previously taught music for a > living so I know what a frustrated student looks like. If you expect > them not to complain, than seriously, might as well not be in the doc > team. honestly the last set of complains about docs have been the same thing someone sends an email saying all that needs to be done then someone replies with yes this is what we are doing and if you can please help out on this, and then there is nothing else. Anyway, enough of this I'm sure yes indeed I'll go to sleep not sure what time is there but I think you should do and we have to pick this up later. > Iain > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TurboGears" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
