I maintain in the grand scheme of media lies, what Williams said is trivial. When "journalists" who give equal time to climate change deniers and anti-vaccination morons are fired, when the ones who catered to Donald Trump's delusions of a Kenyan Muslim president are fired, when the ones who said Iraq had WMDs are fired, when the ones who said George Bush was elected president in 2000 are fired, and when everybody employed at Fox News is fired... then we can talk about Brian Williams puffing up a story to make himself appear more badass. Until then, this is just dumb.
On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 1:36 PM, David Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: > He's going to be taking "several days" off. > > > http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/brian-williams-i-have-decided-to-take-myself-off-my-daily-broadcast/255104 > > Anyone want to put odds on him coming back? > > On Sat Feb 07 2015 at 2:37:14 PM Steve Timko <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Brian Williams is my favorite news anchor and it saddens me to say >> this,but he has to go. >> This isn't something you misremember. Not when it adds to your glory. He >> started fibbing from day one with NBC's assistance. From day one they said >> something to the effect that Willaims was in danger. The facts as we >> understand it now is that the helicopter on front took fire and had to >> land. Williams was in a helicopter several minutes behind. If NBC had >> stated the facts from day one they would have avoided the lie. Instead, >> they started fibbing to embellish the cred of their anchor, or anchor-to-be. >> Willaims kept embellishing. If he hadn't been caught, on the trajectory >> he was going at his retirement ceremony he would have said he caught the >> rocket in his teeth. >> I wonder if he got outed because of all the facts coming out about Chris >> Kyle. As a sniper, Kyle was truly a hero in Iraq. But that wasn't enough >> for Kyle, who despite all his accomplishments made up stories about >> knocking out Jesse Ventura or killing two would-be carjackers and then >> giving authorities a number at the Pentagon where the defense department >> told them to leave Kyle alone. >> >> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 9:47 AM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I guarantee you that there is at least one psychology professor at every >>> college and university in the college doing exactly what I am doing today, >>> which is grabbing video and images and text about this event to integrate >>> into my lectures on the fallibility and social construction of human >>> memory. This is essentially the same thing that happened to Hillary in >>> 2008, and her mis-remembering of dodging bullets on the tarmac. It is also >>> the same thing that every single one of us does at least once a week, >>> telling a story after dinner, or over drinks to buddies, elaborating and >>> distorting events to make them more interesting, more flattering, shorter, >>> longer, easier to remember or more consistent with the current context. >>> Yes, some of this is intentional and conscious exaggeration, bordering on >>> lying, but most of it happens at a non-conscious level. >>> >>> That is not to excuse Williams. A journalist more than most should be >>> wary of the limits of human memory, and the importance of accuracy, and >>> double check facts before reporting on air important events. And, to Joe's >>> point, we would like to see credible journalists (that is, journalists >>> interested in retaining their credibility) being more reluctant to report >>> stories in which they themselves at the subject - and when they do, they >>> must be doubly concerned with accuracy, and with checking the all too human >>> tendency to inflate their own role in any story. >>> >>> I don't think that firing is a proportional response; I guess if NBC >>> News wanted to suspend him for a week that would signify that they were >>> taking it seriously. The problem is that the penalty for this kind of think >>> should be that the population of news consumers downgrades Williams as a >>> source of accurate and credible news; but in the last decade or two >>> credibility has ceased to be a defining characteristic of any news source. >>> Even with this flaw, Williams and NBC are a more credible source of news >>> that anything available on cable. >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Joe Hass <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Two paths seems to be emerging. >>>> >>>> 1. Some great mocking at Williams: >>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/02/04/brian-williams-faces-fierce-mockery-after-recanting-iraq-war-story/ >>>> and >>>> http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-brian-williams-social-media-20150204-htmlstory.html >>>> >>>> 2. A sense that Williams should be disciplined, if not outright fired, >>>> for this (primarily from the journalism watchers): >>>> http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/rieder/2015/02/05/brian-williams-unmitigated-disaster/22915325/ >>>> and >>>> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/04/brian-williams-taints-his-brand.html >>>> >>>> I know I raised in this forum a question about Williams and how he >>>> sometimes seems to skate the line between a member of a news organization >>>> and an entertainer, only to be convinced by the panel I was being >>>> oversensitive about it. Fundamentally, this isn't a huge deal. But that >>>> voice that was silenced way back when is kinda screaming back at me that >>>> this is the kind of crap it was talking about. >>>> >>>> On Thu Feb 05 2015 at 9:00:18 AM Bob Jersey <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> He apologized Wednesday (4) >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33RSg9CBtUY> ('toob) for having said >>>>> on NBC's telecast of an NHL game as part of a ceremony honouring a >>>>> servicemember* -* and in 2013 to Dave - that a chopper he was in >>>>> while covering Iraq fighting in 2003 got hit by enemy fire... the US >>>>> military-newser Stars and Stripes busted him >>>>> <http://www.stripes.com/news/us/nbc-s-brian-williams-recants-iraq-story-after-soldiers-protest-1.327792> >>>>> (link) after gripes from three actual occupants of the attacked craft that >>>>> he was in a different chopper... >>>>> >>>>> B >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> TV or Not TV .... 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