On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 8:58 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > Inclusiveness is not the value I had in mind; rather it was commitment to > a free and independent press. Fox News is a compromised organization, but > it does provide news to a significant fraction of the nation, and a party > that hopes to govern the entire nation ought to open itself to coverage by > the widest possible spectrum of the news media. Certainly I would be > critical of Republicans if they restricted sponsorship of their debates > only to Fox News. >
I dispute most of this. I support the notion of a free press, but FoxNews is simply not a journalistic endeavor, and thus the idea of a free press does not apply. They do not produce a news broadcast by any standard definition. While they employ certain people with degrees in journalism and broadcasting, they are not dispatched to gather or report the news. FoxNews produces commentary on the news of the day. Just as op-eds in print are not the same as actual news articles, what occurs on air at FoxNews is not the same as actual TV journalism. What FoxNews provides to its viewers is a heavily biased series of opinions. They have a right to televise their propaganda just as RT has the right to televise Putin’s, but when we attempt to broaden the definition of journalism to include what FoxNews produces, that’s frankly a huge problem. > On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 7:51 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 7:17 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Unlike debates for the general election for president, which are >>> generally organized by some neutral group and covered as a public event by >>> any media outlet that chooses to, debates for party nominations are party >>> events, that the party contracts with a media partner to produce and carry. >>> >>> I am quite familiar with the New Yorker piece, and take second place to >>> no one in my scorn and disgust at Fox News network. But excluding them is >>> contrary to core values that (as a long time active member of the >>> Democratic Party) I belive should be part of the Party’s DNA. >>> >> >> All partisanship is exclusionary by definition. Democrats exclude >> conservatives; Republicans exclude progressives. Democrats are >> theoretically the party of inclusion, but frankly all are not welcome. For >> example, I could not conceive of a scenario in which the Democrats would >> agree to have Alex Jones moderate a debate for them on InfoWars. The point >> of primary debates is to give those in the party a chance to hear from the >> candidates. If it can be demonstrated or proven that the majority of >> Democrats do not watch FoxNews, it makes sense to exclude them from >> contention as a host for a debate. >> >> >>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 6:26 AM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> A question from me on this: when a primary debate is hosted by one >>>> network, are other networks not able to cover it live anyway? If so, then >>>> they may choose not to - after all the branding will be for a rival - but >>>> that's a choice they make. >>>> >>>> In Brian Stelter of CNN's email today he noted: "[Fox News] held a town >>>> hall with Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders in 2016, but it hasn't held an >>>> actual Dem primary debate since 2004." >>>> >>>> In fact, you would think it to be of interest to Democrats to get some >>>> familiarity with their candidates early on, so they're more of a known >>>> quantity later. But given some of the things that came out of Jane Mayer's >>>> New Yorker piece this week (Give yourself plenty of time to read it if you >>>> haven't already: >>>> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/03/11/the-making-of-the-fox-news-white-house) >>>> you can completey understand the Democratic position. The story makes >>>> renewed clams about Trump being given advance notice of questions in a >>>> Republican primary, and if that's the case, then even a debate held within >>>> the news division couldn't be guaranteed as fair. >>>> >>>> >>>> Adam >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 1:32 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I hope they reconsider this also. Fox News is horrible, but it is not >>>>> the place of the people who want to run our government to decide which >>>>> news >>>>> organizations they want to cover them. There are going to be 12 debates >>>>> this year (2019), it doesn’t really matter what the ratings would be on >>>>> Fox >>>>> News. DNC could insist that only people identify by FN as being full time >>>>> in the “news” side (not opinion) are involved. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:33 PM Steve Timko <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> FOX News seems fixated on AOC. I'm surprised they'd want to hear from >>>>>> other Democrats. >>>>>> NEW YORK (AP) - The Democratic National Committee says it won't pick >>>>>> Fox News to televise one of the upcoming debates being held for its 2020 >>>>>> presidential contenders. >>>>>> The party chairman, Tom Perez, says he's concluded that the network >>>>>> isn't in a position to host a fair and neutral debate. He's citing a New >>>>>> Yorker magazine article released Monday that details Fox's relationship >>>>>> with President Donald Trump. >>>>>> Even before the article, some Democratic activists were complaining >>>>>> about the committee's consideration of Fox as a potential broadcast >>>>>> partner. >>>>>> The Democrats have announced 12 debates for later this year, with NBC >>>>>> News and CNN set to broadcast the first two. >>>>>> Fox says it hopes the Democrats will reconsider. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> Kevin M. 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