FOX News is having a Bernie Sanders Town Hall. LINK <https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-fox-news-town-hall-bret-baier-martha-maccallum>
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:00 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 10:24 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I don’t disagree with much of your description, though most of it applies >> most forcefully to their opinion programs. But the point is that >> politicians should not have the option of deciding which outlets they want >> to treat as good enough to be treated as “the press.” Once you start down >> that road you are not far from Trump discounting any news story he doesn’t >> like as fake. >> > > I think there is a very obvious distinction between what I am asserting vs > what Trump asserts. In order for me to classify the journalism on FoxNews > as fake, they must first actually produce a news broadcast. They do not. > FoxNews is as real as it gets in terms of disseminating conservative > opinions and talking points. The only thing fake about it, which can be > easily proven, is the word “news” in the name of the network. I’ve said for > years that I’d have no problem whatsoever with the network if it called > itself FoxOpinion; I would still find its content abhorrent and > unwatchable, but I find 99% of the new content on TV fits that description. > I don’t have to like something to recognize its legitimacy; Lady Gaga’s > voice makes my skin crawl, but she’s among the best at what she does. When > NBC dropped the America’s Talking Network in favor of MSNBC, Roger Ailes > (who considered AT his pride and joy) felt betrayed and was determined to > best MSNBC in the ratings, FoxNews did that; it was a network conceived out > of rage, bitterness, and vengeance... and it shows. Just as Ted Turner > changed the faced of TV news with CNN, Roger Ailes changed the face of > televised punditry with FoxNews. And while one can, as we have, debate the > merits of it, one can easily see why this highly partisan and politicized > network is the wrong place to host a debate for candidates with beliefs > fundamentally the opposite of that network’s focus. It’d be like asking the > KKK to moderate a forum to help decide the new head of the NAACP. It’d > undoubtedly be great theater, but not at all productive. > > >> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:09 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 8:58 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Inclusiveness is not the value I had in mind; rather it was commitment >>>> to a free and independent press. Fox News is a compromised organization, >>>> but it does provide news to a significant fraction of the nation, and a >>>> party that hopes to govern the entire nation ought to open itself to >>>> coverage by the widest possible spectrum of the news media. Certainly I >>>> would be critical of Republicans if they restricted sponsorship of their >>>> debates only to Fox News. >>>> >>> >>> I dispute most of this. I support the notion of a free press, but >>> FoxNews is simply not a journalistic endeavor, and thus the idea of a free >>> press does not apply. They do not produce a news broadcast by any standard >>> definition. While they employ certain people with degrees in journalism and >>> broadcasting, they are not dispatched to gather or report the news. FoxNews >>> produces commentary on the news of the day. Just as op-eds in print are not >>> the same as actual news articles, what occurs on air at FoxNews is not the >>> same as actual TV journalism. What FoxNews provides to its viewers is a >>> heavily biased series of opinions. They have a right to televise their >>> propaganda just as RT has the right to televise Putin’s, but when we >>> attempt to broaden the definition of journalism to include what FoxNews >>> produces, that’s frankly a huge problem. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 7:51 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 7:17 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Unlike debates for the general election for president, which are >>>>>> generally organized by some neutral group and covered as a public event >>>>>> by >>>>>> any media outlet that chooses to, debates for party nominations are party >>>>>> events, that the party contracts with a media partner to produce and >>>>>> carry. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am quite familiar with the New Yorker piece, and take second place >>>>>> to no one in my scorn and disgust at Fox News network. But excluding them >>>>>> is contrary to core values that (as a long time active member of the >>>>>> Democratic Party) I belive should be part of the Party’s DNA. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> All partisanship is exclusionary by definition. Democrats exclude >>>>> conservatives; Republicans exclude progressives. Democrats are >>>>> theoretically the party of inclusion, but frankly all are not welcome. For >>>>> example, I could not conceive of a scenario in which the Democrats would >>>>> agree to have Alex Jones moderate a debate for them on InfoWars. The point >>>>> of primary debates is to give those in the party a chance to hear from the >>>>> candidates. If it can be demonstrated or proven that the majority of >>>>> Democrats do not watch FoxNews, it makes sense to exclude them from >>>>> contention as a host for a debate. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 6:26 AM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> A question from me on this: when a primary debate is hosted by one >>>>>>> network, are other networks not able to cover it live anyway? If so, >>>>>>> then >>>>>>> they may choose not to - after all the branding will be for a rival - >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> that's a choice they make. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In Brian Stelter of CNN's email today he noted: "[Fox News] held a >>>>>>> town hall with Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders in 2016, but it hasn't >>>>>>> held an actual Dem primary debate since 2004." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In fact, you would think it to be of interest to Democrats to get >>>>>>> some familiarity with their candidates early on, so they're more of a >>>>>>> known >>>>>>> quantity later. But given some of the things that came out of Jane >>>>>>> Mayer's >>>>>>> New Yorker piece this week (Give yourself plenty of time to read it if >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> haven't already: >>>>>>> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/03/11/the-making-of-the-fox-news-white-house) >>>>>>> you can completey understand the Democratic position. The story makes >>>>>>> renewed clams about Trump being given advance notice of questions in a >>>>>>> Republican primary, and if that's the case, then even a debate held >>>>>>> within >>>>>>> the news division couldn't be guaranteed as fair. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 1:32 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope they reconsider this also. Fox News is horrible, but it is >>>>>>>> not the place of the people who want to run our government to decide >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> news organizations they want to cover them. There are going to be 12 >>>>>>>> debates this year (2019), it doesn’t really matter what the ratings >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>> be on Fox News. DNC could insist that only people identify by FN as >>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>> full time in the “news” side (not opinion) are involved. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:33 PM Steve Timko <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> FOX News seems fixated on AOC. I'm surprised they'd want to hear >>>>>>>>> from other Democrats. >>>>>>>>> NEW YORK (AP) - The Democratic National Committee says it won't >>>>>>>>> pick Fox News to televise one of the upcoming debates being held for >>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>> 2020 presidential contenders. >>>>>>>>> The party chairman, Tom Perez, says he's concluded that the >>>>>>>>> network isn't in a position to host a fair and neutral debate. He's >>>>>>>>> citing >>>>>>>>> a New Yorker magazine article released Monday that details Fox's >>>>>>>>> relationship with President Donald Trump. >>>>>>>>> Even before the article, some Democratic activists were >>>>>>>>> complaining about the committee's consideration of Fox as a potential >>>>>>>>> broadcast partner. >>>>>>>>> The Democrats have announced 12 debates for later this year, with >>>>>>>>> NBC News and CNN set to broadcast the first two. >>>>>>>>> Fox says it hopes the Democrats will reconsider. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kevin M. 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