On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:29 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > That is a dubious argument for not defending adequately against COVID-19, > and it is an even worse defense for John Wayne and Orange County. We are > talking about 1979 (when they named the airport) not 1779. There were > plenty of Americans who knew racism was wrong at that time. If a particular > herd refused to see that, they are assholes, not immune. >
Yeah, you’ve succinctly described the majority of Orange County residents. > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Timko <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Herd immunity. Everyone around him was infected with racism. >> On Jun 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> No. He wasn’t. I’m saying that too. But how is that a point in his >>> defense? >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:44 AM Steve Timko < [email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I am saying he wasn't much of an outlier in the Republican Party >>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 6:35 AM, PGage < [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I’m not sure your first point is a defense. Orange County chose to >>>>> name the airport after him when it was proud of its identity as a bastion >>>>> of white, conservative, Republican power in Sothern California, >>>>> specifically to celebrate and brand itself with Wayne’s brand of thinly >>>>> veiled racism and jingoism. The county is substantially (though not >>>>> completely) different today, and no surprise a majority there no longer >>>>> want the racist brand. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 8:41 PM Steve Timko < [email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What John Wayne said was inexcusable and likely he said much worse in >>>>>> private. >>>>>> Two points in his defense: >>>>>> His views were not that far from typical Republican views at the time >>>>>> (read transcripts of the Nixon tapes) and sadly not far enough from the >>>>>> beliefs of most white Americans. >>>>>> He fully owned the racist character in "The Searchers" and Hollywood >>>>>> has produced few movies as anti-Trumpanzee as "The Searchers." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 7:05 PM PGage < [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> And yet, there are many people who call the Orange County Airport >>>>>>> John Wayne. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:31 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> M-D November, today (6/29): >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah, what was the rationale behind that, anyway? 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