Again, this is true, but it is the problem, not the defense. On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:11 PM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV < [email protected]> wrote:
> Not to defend that mindset at all, but I grew up in La Mirada, which is > about as far south as a person can go in Los Angeles County before crossing > the Orange Curtain. > > When we moved into our house in 1962, the realtor proudly told my mother > that there was an agreement that the first one of them who sold a house to > a Negro would be blackballed by the others. > > There wasn't a Black family in town until 1972. A coalition of town > fathers (among them a U.S. Congressman and the high school football coach) > burned a cross on their lawn. It was we;-known throughout the town who had > done it, but there was no way to get the case taken on by the authorities > (who were, needless to say, in the bag). > > So naming an airport--or anything--for any racist in that period wouldn't > have given anyone a second thought--especially an airport right next door > to Irvine, which was incredibly restricted until even more recently. > > --Dave Sikua > > On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 6:29:58 PM UTC-7, PGage wrote: >> >> That is a dubious argument for not defending adequately against COVID-19, >> and it is an even worse defense for John Wayne and Orange County. We are >> talking about 1979 (when they named the airport) not 1779. There were >> plenty of Americans who knew racism was wrong at that time. If a particular >> herd refused to see that, they are assholes, not immune. >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Timko <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Herd immunity. Everyone around him was infected with racism. >>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> No. He wasn’t. I’m saying that too. But how is that a point in his >>>> defense? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:44 AM Steve Timko < [email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am saying he wasn't much of an outlier in the Republican Party >>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 6:35 AM, PGage < [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I’m not sure your first point is a defense. Orange County chose to >>>>>> name the airport after him when it was proud of its identity as a bastion >>>>>> of white, conservative, Republican power in Sothern California, >>>>>> specifically to celebrate and brand itself with Wayne’s brand of thinly >>>>>> veiled racism and jingoism. The county is substantially (though not >>>>>> completely) different today, and no surprise a majority there no longer >>>>>> want the racist brand. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 8:41 PM Steve Timko < [email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> What John Wayne said was inexcusable and likely he said much worse >>>>>>> in private. >>>>>>> Two points in his defense: >>>>>>> His views were not that far from typical Republican views at the >>>>>>> time (read transcripts of the Nixon tapes) and sadly not far enough from >>>>>>> the beliefs of most white Americans. >>>>>>> He fully owned the racist character in "The Searchers" and Hollywood >>>>>>> has produced few movies as anti-Trumpanzee as "The Searchers." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 7:05 PM PGage < [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And yet, there are many people who call the Orange County Airport >>>>>>>> John Wayne. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:31 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> M-D November, today (6/29): >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yeah, what was the rationale behind that, anyway? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Airports for the most part are named for where they are (sorry, >>>>>>>>> NY), and many a SoCal'er knew there wasn't a city there named for >>>>>>>>> Hope, >>>>>>>>> so... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.bizjournals.com/losangeles/news/2017/12/15/bob-hope-airport-renamed-so-passengers-know-where.html >>>>>>>>> (link) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> B >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/9938bf4b-d8b6-4939-807e-21f218ec2629o%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> 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