Understood, and not offered as any kind of defense, but more as perspective on the idea that, by 1979, all right-thinking people had rejected discrimination. It was (and still is, to a degree) a pretty popular idea down there to the point of naming an airport after one of their own.
--Dave Sikula On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 8:22:02 PM UTC-7, PGage wrote: > > Again, this is true, but it is the problem, not the defense. > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:11 PM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV < > tvor...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Not to defend that mindset at all, but I grew up in La Mirada, which is >> about as far south as a person can go in Los Angeles County before crossing >> the Orange Curtain. >> >> When we moved into our house in 1962, the realtor proudly told my mother >> that there was an agreement that the first one of them who sold a house to >> a Negro would be blackballed by the others. >> >> There wasn't a Black family in town until 1972. A coalition of town >> fathers (among them a U.S. Congressman and the high school football coach) >> burned a cross on their lawn. It was we;-known throughout the town who had >> done it, but there was no way to get the case taken on by the authorities >> (who were, needless to say, in the bag). >> >> So naming an airport--or anything--for any racist in that period wouldn't >> have given anyone a second thought--especially an airport right next door >> to Irvine, which was incredibly restricted until even more recently. >> >> --Dave Sikua >> >> On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 6:29:58 PM UTC-7, PGage wrote: >>> >>> That is a dubious argument for not defending adequately against >>> COVID-19, and it is an even worse defense for John Wayne and Orange County. >>> We are talking about 1979 (when they named the airport) not 1779. There >>> were plenty of Americans who knew racism was wrong at that time. If a >>> particular herd refused to see that, they are assholes, not immune. >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Timko <steve...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Herd immunity. Everyone around him was infected with racism. >>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> No. He wasn’t. I’m saying that too. But how is that a point in his >>>>> defense? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:44 AM Steve Timko < steve...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am saying he wasn't much of an outlier in the Republican Party >>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 6:35 AM, PGage < pga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’m not sure your first point is a defense. Orange County chose to >>>>>>> name the airport after him when it was proud of its identity as a >>>>>>> bastion >>>>>>> of white, conservative, Republican power in Sothern California, >>>>>>> specifically to celebrate and brand itself with Wayne’s brand of thinly >>>>>>> veiled racism and jingoism. The county is substantially (though not >>>>>>> completely) different today, and no surprise a majority there no longer >>>>>>> want the racist brand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 8:41 PM Steve Timko < steve...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What John Wayne said was inexcusable and likely he said much worse >>>>>>>> in private. >>>>>>>> Two points in his defense: >>>>>>>> His views were not that far from typical Republican views at the >>>>>>>> time (read transcripts of the Nixon tapes) and sadly not far enough >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> the beliefs of most white Americans. >>>>>>>> He fully owned the racist character in "The Searchers" and >>>>>>>> Hollywood has produced few movies as anti-Trumpanzee as "The >>>>>>>> Searchers." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 7:05 PM PGage < pga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And yet, there are many people who call the Orange County Airport >>>>>>>>> John Wayne. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 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