I specifically resist your last point. Yes the media is lazy and ratings driven; yes Democrats are weak and cowardly. Those are serious but baseline problems. Trump is something qualitatively new and toxic. We don’t blame intoxicated people for getting taped; we don’t blame journalists and other politicians (R & D) for getting Trumped.
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 12:36 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 10:50 AM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Wallace did reset Biden’s clock several times, but only to get him back >> his original 2 minutes. >> >> The debate moderator has much less discretion than a K-12 teacher, or any >> standard employee. All they can do is whatever the two campaigns agreed to >> with the Commission. This was not an episode of Wallace’s Fox News Sunday, >> where he would have had more discretion. >> > >> As I say, the only thing he could have done beyond what he did was tell >> Trump if he broke the rules he himself had agreed to one more time, he >> (Walllace) was going to end the debate and walk off the stage. Perhaps he >> should have, but no news person would like to make themselves the center of >> the story, and it’s a judgment call if that net benefits Trump anyway. I >> get why he didn’t do that. >> > > As you’ve said, except that wasn’t all Wallace could have done. Within the > parameters of the debate rules, his job is to ensure fairness and equal > time for both men. He literally did not moderate; he asked questions then > sat back and did nothing. If moderators have no power, as you keep saying, > then there are no moderators... just assholes asking inane questions with > no follow-up or accountability. Last night, Chris Wallace acted like an > asshole instead of acting like a moderator. > >> >> This is why I say the Commission needs to tell both campaigns that >> remaining debates will only be held if moderator has the ability to enforce >> rules already agreed to by turning off mikes. >> >> I will strongly dispute any attempt to spread blame for last night’s shit >> show. This was not due to Fox News, the degradations of News by cable tv, >> poor journalistic standards, three white old men, reliance on obsolete old >> school media (all of which And more I have seen blamed). >> >> The blame for what happened last night is completely and exclusively on >> Donald Trump. >> > > Trump was Trump. Neither man on stage with Trump did a damned thing to > stop Trump from being Trump. In much the same way the media and the > Democrats enabled his first term in office, it seems as if they are going > to enable his second term as well. > > >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 8:14 AM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:29 AM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> But what did he not do that you would have wanted him to do, that he >>>> could have done? As I say, short of walking off the stage, I don’t think >>>> there is anything. >>>> >>> >>> As a former teacher, there are basic skills that can be used to get even >>> the most recalcitrant child in line. As a former Hollywood flunkie, there >>> are basic skills that can be used to coax even the most entitled prig to >>> take direction. It isn’t that Trump does whatever he wants or says whatever >>> he wants... he doesn’t. The one thing he wanted last night was to be the >>> center of attention. >>> >>> California labor law is quite clear that all employees be given ten >>> uninterrupted minutes of break time for every four hours worked. If I’m on >>> my sixth minute of a break, and the boss asks me a work-related question, >>> the clock is reset and I get ten minutes starting from whenever the boss is >>> done talking to me. All Wallace had to do, the first time Trump interrupted >>> Biden, was to reset Biden’s two minute clock. Give Biden more uninterrupted >>> time. Make Biden the center of attention longer; Trump would have >>> capitulated. >>> >>> The problem is not that Trump doesn’t play by the rules; it’s that >>> nobody (especially the Democrats) makes him play by the rules. There were a >>> dozen other different things Wallace could have done, and even a few things >>> Biden could have done, but instead Trump was Trump. And America is all the >>> worse because of it. >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:19 AM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 3:54 AM Doug Eastick <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I watched it. Actually the whole family sat down to watch it. >>>>>> Fifteen minutes in, one left the room. 60 minutes in, two others left >>>>>> the >>>>>> room. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dana Bash of CNN called it a "shit show". >>>>>> Indeed it was. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Wallace failed, badly, as well. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chris Wallace failed so badly that Mike Wallace also failed, and he’s >>>>> been dead eight years >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed., Sep. 30, 2020, 12:38 a.m. Kevin M., < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I’m willing to entertain those still of the opinion that the debates >>>>>>> are useful for undecided voters, or that they help raise awareness of >>>>>>> issues or policy ideas. But I endured the entire debate tonight, so I’ve >>>>>>> got to tell you, if you’re going to defend debates after tonight, you’d >>>>>>> better come loaded for bear. Because whatever that goatf*ck was, it >>>>>>> served >>>>>>> no purpose; it wasn’t even good theater. It was like watching The View, >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> after watching The View I was then forced to vote for either Joy Behar >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> Maghan McCain. -- >>>>>>> Kevin M. 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