1. Actions have consequences, and freedom to express yourself is not freedom from those consequences. I lost a job I loved for 30 years because I spoke out in favor of gay marriage, and did so knowing that was a possibility.
2. My values include being as tolerant as possible for unpopular speech. Short of causing actual harm, I think if someone does a good job they should be able to keep their job, even if they hold beliefs I really disapprove of. 3. The ambiguity is over the question of harm. A physician or police officer who posts online that Jews or Muslims or whoever are not fully human and don’t deserve to live raises reasonable questions about harm that might be done to the target group if they did not exercise their duties with full care. Actors are not as likely to be a source of harm. Still, if an actor in a minor role says something that deeply offends an actor in a major role (as is apparently the case here), or says something that hurts and angers large fractions of the audience, it is understandable the employer may not want to hire them again. On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 at 1:29 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 12:22 PM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I've got to say that I found this by SF author John Scalzi, to be pretty >> much where I am on being "cancelled": >> >> >> https://whatever.scalzi.com/2021/02/13/general-unstructured-thoughts-on-being-cancelled/ >> >> > For all I know, Benedict Cumberpatch is a Satanic cult leader who has > eight different children from eight different women, none of whom he pays > child support for. By avoiding social media, the focus is on his work, and > his value as an actor is on his skill/talent instead of his social media > following. > > I’m not amongst those who think actors should shut up and never discuss > politics, but when they do speak out on social issues, they should do so > fully aware that in spite of humanity’s better nature, we as a species > place a higher value on what famous people say/do. If a plumber keeps a > social media account supporting Nazis or conspiracy theories, it is > doubtful he will get cancelled because not many people care what a plumber > thinks. So when a celebrity gets called out for public statements, that’s > the way the cultural cookie crumbles. > > I’ve been part of cancelling people online, and I do so because I believe > actions should have consequences. I’ve helped try to cancel liberals (Bill > Maher, Kathy Griffin) and conservatives (Donald Trump, Kirk Cameron). And > I’ve got my own Grammy nominated stalker because I played a part in > cancelling her. And I’ve been physically threatened and threatened with > lawsuits, and all that does is tell me I’m doing the right thing. > > >> >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 3:24 PM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 3:15 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> It seems they are saying she was not fired so much as not re-hired >>>> after her contract expired. Is that correct? >>>> >>> >>> I think that's a fair summation. That said, her agency has now dropped >>> her, and it seems her publicists dropped her last year. >>> >>> >>> https://deadline.com/2021/02/the-mandalorian-actress-gina-carano-agency-uta-part-ways-in-wake-of-social-media-controversy-1234691964/ >>> >>> But you know, if you got around propagating obnoxious views, maybe some >>> people won't want to work with or represent you. >>> >>> >>> >>> Adam >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAD_sJGBWZSpXs-kB2xQyrFY_dC3ogaYHC8yJvEDV5Mwm63KLtQ%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAD_sJGBWZSpXs-kB2xQyrFY_dC3ogaYHC8yJvEDV5Mwm63KLtQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > Kevin M. (RPCV) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKgmY4CJMUBoTwxdBL1MJO3auaYQe%3DQBnfDwiZPTBLXa%3Dq6ZqQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKgmY4CJMUBoTwxdBL1MJO3auaYQe%3DQBnfDwiZPTBLXa%3Dq6ZqQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYLYjtAgPb1mWCgPjb2X-NGAMAxZRRCK_FkHmb%2BmWj9eUQ%40mail.gmail.com.
