On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 12:56 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > So, it’s true there is no violation of the 1st Amendment at stake. But > Free Expression as a value goes deeper than that. Unpopular speech should > be protected whenever possible. Spotify banning Joe Rogan today could > easily become Disney banning Lin Manuel Miranda in three years. >
Spotify didn’t ban Joe Rogan, and even if they did, a company is free to react to public criticism. They are free to host/pay whomever they want to, and they are free to stop paying whomever they want to… or they were when Rogan was based in California… I don’t know whether Texas is an at-will state. Free expression includes criticism of free speech, and that’s what happened here. Neil Young used his freedom of speech to influence an outcome. > On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 10:05 AM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 9:14 AM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> As I posted earlier, I don’t disagree with JS that much. My main >>> disagreement is with his assessment that Rogan is not an ideologue (perhaps >>> that word is too sophisticated to apply to Rogan). >>> >>> But I do agree that it is dangerous in a free society to start >>> restricting speech we don’t like - even when we are right. I despise Rogan >>> and Carlson, despised Limbaugh. But they have a right to spew their filth >>> (as I have a right to ignore them). >>> >> >> We do go round and round on this concept, but Rogan’s speech is not >> infringed. >> >> For better or worse, we purport to exist in a free market economy. Neil >> Young made a personal professional choice to not associate with a company >> responsible for promoting (in fact paying extra for) speech known/proven to >> be factually inaccurate, conspiratorial in nature, and potentially harmful >> if taken seriously. The market also responded. Then the business in >> question announced changes, the person in question pledged to change. >> >> It is a rare instance where society prompted a change. Not censorship. >> Not cancel culture. Nothing was banned. Nobody was woke. Nobody was a >> snowflake. A market correction occurred. >> >> >> >>> You can’t yell fire in a crowded theater, you can’t make jokes about >>> bombs in an airport, so perhaps there are things you should not be able to >>> say during a deadly pandemic. Let’s specify those things (perhaps something >>> like: “can not present as fact health information found to be seriously >>> harmful to public health “, though even that is probably too broad. Under >>> that, anyone advocating abstinence only sex education would be banned). >>> >>> Once you identify a criteria, then you don’t rush to ban communicators, >>> their employers warn them of violations, and repeated violations lead to >>> termination. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 5:16 AM Doug Eastick <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Agreed. I've been done with him for quite a while now. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> /Doug >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> On Fri., Feb. 4, 2022, 4:37 a.m. 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV, < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I used to be a big fan of Stewart, but even in those TDS days, he >>>>> constantly tried to both-sides almost everything. This is just the latest >>>>> step in that evolution. >>>>> >>>>> --Dave Sikula >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 2:51:12 PM UTC-8 [email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jon Stewart sides with Joe Rogan. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.rawstory.com/jon-stewart-backs-joe-rogan-as-musicians-continue-to-leave-spotify-this-overreaction-is-a-mistake/ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 1:25 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is such a stinking pile of bullshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A. It is very unlikely that he will do even the almost >>>>>>> microscopically small steps he promises to take here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> B. This is not a case of a one man shop inadvertently putting >>>>>>> dangerous material out there. He has been told over and over by ,any >>>>>>> experts the information is false and dangerous, and has shown glee in >>>>>>> disregarding them. If he was inviting Pro Nazi guests (and, I don’t >>>>>>> assume >>>>>>> that he has not been) and got spanked by Spotify for tanking their share >>>>>>> value while they pay him a shit load of cash, it would certainly not be >>>>>>> acceptable to vaguely promise to get Nazis who dress better and to >>>>>>> invite >>>>>>> some non Nazi guests after them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> C. I am not in favor of banning people like Rogan from social media >>>>>>> and network sites, unless they meet some specific “shouting fire in a >>>>>>> crowded theater” criteria. While there is real choice between Neil and >>>>>>> Joni >>>>>>> on the one hand and Rogan on the other, I do wish that those speaking >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> against things like COVID and Voting and Election Misinformation would >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> more specific and precise when calling for mis-informers to be banned, >>>>>>> citing what really must be extreme cases that meet rare criteria. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 12:44 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rogan semi-apologized… claims he’ll book better guests and get >>>>>>>> better informed on topics he babbles about. I have my doubts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/31/joe-rogan-apologizes-to-spotify-and-musicians.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 6:12 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Neil Young orders Spotify to remove his music until they get rid >>>>>>>>> of all the anti-vax garbage on the streaming service. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/rollingstone/status/1485757517523308548?s=21 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Kevin M. (RPCV) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Kevin M. 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