--- In [email protected], "Norman Sussman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Call it whatever you want to.  However, I've stated the facts to inform
> the group.  Do you disapprove of that?   If we don't exchange
> information, then how do you expect knowledge to be spread?
>  

No, call it what it is. Calling it anything but theft is
disinformation, and misleads people into thinking there might be
nothing wrong with it. I expect knowlege to be spread truthfully and
accurately, now whitewashed to make theives feel good about their
activities.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> classicsat
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 12:28 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [TVRO] Re: dish network changed now?
>  
> --- In [email protected], "Norman Sussman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Actually, Nagra2 (which, as you stated: is being used in Europe) has
> > been hacked.  They use a card system.  The cards are routinely
> > falsified, enabling reception of all the pay channels.
> > The Canadian satellites have been using Nagra1; they have already made
> > the switch to Nagra2.  DirectTV uses a different encryption system.
> > Dish Network uses Nagra1, but is changing to Nagra2.
> 
> To be clear, it is just not reception, it is theft.
> 
> 
>  
> 
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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