I just wanted to point out a few counterpoints to Paul's arguments.  I
think it's important that they are brought up and I hope they are
taken at face value and not construed in any way as a personal attack.

1. The mentions API evolved from the @reply convention and originally
was also a 'user developed based meme' that Twitter decided to
incorporate into their site and API.  The mentions API is now a key
part of the Twitter landscape and I don't think anyone can imagine
Twitter without that API.  The retweet convention has been used by the
twitter community for as long as I have been a part of it.  I don't
see the community 'changing its mind about it' anytime soon.

2. Virtually all third-party clients support some method of
retweeting.  This new API would not add clutter to a client's
functionality as the method is already supported.  In fact, it would
serve to standardize the retweet method, which is a good thing as
clients format retweets differently.  (Even TweetDeck has a retweet
button.  Not sure why you don't just use it instead of 'hitting reply
and typing RT at the front'.)

As a third-party developer, I am bummed at the thought of having to
rebuild my app to support the new 'timelines' that Twitter is
requiring clients to support, but for the sake of evolution of the
platform, I am happy to see the progress.  I also somewhat agree that
the solution to adding comments and crediting the originating
authority is hacky and will not satisfy everyone's retweet needs, it
brings it closer.  And I fully support progress . . . as long as it's
in the right direction.  No matter how small.


On Aug 15, 7:00 pm, Paul Kinlan <paul.kin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> When I saw the original message stating that the retweet API I was about to
> say straight away that I despise the idea, but I thought I would refrain -
> give it some thought. I still despise the idea and I have to make it known
> the reasons why I think it is a very very bad idea and in the long term will
> negatively affect Twitter as a communications platform for the future.
>    1. You are embedding a user developed based meme into the Twitter
>    infrastructure - the popularity of RT itself may wane after some point.
>    Users are very fickle, they change their minds, take a stand and don't
>    listen to them - you know your platform and I am pretty sure you know that
>    this is a bit of a hack.  Let users use they system how they want, they 
> will
>    evolve how they use it, constraints via an API
>       1. Twitter already has the capability to do smarter things
>       that completely negate the need for this API if they just change
> the current
>       API a little
>    2. Not every app will use RT API (especially legacy ones) and not every
>    user will use it and as such Twitter and this list will get lots of
>    questions why certain RT's are accessible by the retweet API.  Again, RT's
>    are a user concept, and is very easy for them not use.
>    3. Whilst I use TweetDeck, I really dislike the amount of utility buttons
>    it has and the amount of options it has - introducing another API for
>    another function is tantamount to the same thing, you are asking us app
>    developers to include more options in our apps.  The great thing about a RT
>    is that I just hit reply and type RT at the front.
>    4. A big thing that people have requested is that quite often there is
>    not any room in the very limited 140 characters to add comment to a 
> retweet,
>    this doesn't seem to solve that problem.
>    5. Authority of a user based on a RT and credit to the originator is a
>    misnomer, no one actually needs it, very very few people care about - and
>    when they do care about not getting the credit for the original tweet you
>    have to ask why do they care? and why should we care? again it is still 
> very
>    easy to bypass.  If you have a problem with it, as per the Twitter TOS you
>    are the copyright holder of your content.
> My honest vote is not to pollute the Twitter API with a special RT
> capability, rather:
>    - Enhance Favorites and the favorites API, allow me to get a list of
>    everyone's favorites, allow me to see a list of people who favorited a
>    tweet.  If you look at the proposal for RT API it is doing something 
> similar
>    to this. The entire UX for Favorites makes a lot more sense than retweet -
>    infact you can go as far as saying if you like something favorite (star) 
> it,
>    if you really like your favorite - Forward (RT).
>       - Allow me to get a list of a users favorites (similar to the "Likes"
>       feed in FriendFeed) - this type of concept is so powerful, I can 
> discover
>       people who share very similar likes.  I can also do Best of Day
> very easily
>    - Enhance in_reply_to, allow me to see all tweets that reply to this
>    tweet in an object returned by the current api ( that is so I don't have to
>    keep re-querying the search API), further more allow me to request N levels
>    deep of replies to a given tweet (yes this is similar to threaded comments)
> So by enhancing Replies and favorites you can remove the need for special RT
> API because you can combine both parts of the API to get at the originator
> of a popular tweet, have notification and visual queues of popular tweets.
> thus keeping the twitter API simple.
> Paul - grumpy - Kinlanhttp://twitter.com/PaulKinlan

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