> I agree that it would be a "good thing", but I think the 
> reality is that it is not going to happen ..... and if it 
> DOES happen, for backwards compatibility they will have to 
> keep things the way they are, and that will let people 
> by-pass your rules & do "nasty things".
> 

I haven't been following this thread very closely, but the part about these services 
being a "good thing" caught my attention... hopefully, I haven't repeated what someone 
else has all ready posted.

I am of the understanding that using the built-in security, triggers, stored 
procedures, etc. of relational databases IS NOT a good thing.  Implementing these 
services in the database kills the scalability of the application.

I'm just now starting to dive into J2EE development, so I am by no means an expert on 
enterprise development.  But, my understanding is the primary reason for using an App 
Server such as WebSphere is to provide an implementation for these services in a way 
that can be distributed across as many servers as necessary to improve scalability and 
performance.

Tom Firl
Columbia Ultimate
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