Hey...I never said that JD Edwards or SAP was a better choice.  I simply
said that they are not in the same league to effectively use in a
comparison.

I DO beg to differ that the choice of tier 1 products are oftentimes
dictated by transaction volume and number of end-users.  While in the middle
of my vendor search during one project where I managed the replacement of
financial functions, primarily the General Ledger, I was bumped into tier 1
out of sheer necessity due to the volume and number of end-users when the
company made an acquisition that doubled their size from 400m to 800m.  Any
software vendor worth his salt knows what his target market is in that
regard and where they would be stretched or gross overkill.  I had many a
vendor tell me, "I'm sorry our system wasn't designed for that" when the
size was proposed to them.  Needless to say, I also retained as much of the
old Shims package on the distribution end for one of the companies entities
since change was not warranted there. As long as all the G/L transactions
funneled up properly from all the disparate systems who cared?

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Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:55 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor


So maybe Advante, Dataflo, infoflo, M2K and the like are not tier 1
multi-million dollar installs.  But for ease of use and the ability to
tweak the system to meet your needs.  I'll take the tier 2 any day.

Not intending to start an argument, but what can SAP or JD Edwards do
that the smaller Epicor products can't do?  What makes them worth the
added cost?  I don't' buy into that they can handle more users.  That is
mostly a matter of database management, hardware and infrastructure.
You also have to consider who is buying what system and what their
intensions are.  What do you really get out of a standard SAP or JD
Edwards install that you can't get from any system provided by Epicor or
similar smaller priced package?  I'm not being rhetorical.(again spell
checker saves the day, I didn't know a word could start with rh.)

P.s. you can get the Monitor Series at a Circuit city store or other
high end audio stores near you!  You can't seriously expect me to send
you something for free!  I can't get stuff for free.

Jeffrey Lettau
ERP Systems Manager
polkaudio

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Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:50 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor

Yes...and I was privy to M2K back when it went through ADP doors and was
sold back out again

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Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:27 PM
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Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor


I believe that Jeff was speaking about Manage-2000.  Polk audio, in
addition
to making great speakers, is a Manage-2000 user.  Now if I could just
get
them to send a couple of studio monitors my way for the plug..... ;-)

When I was working for M2k under ROI Systems, there were several
companies
that choose it over JD, SAP as well as Epicor.

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Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:39
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Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor


X-Squeeze me

But comparing Avante to JD Edwards & Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot
T-ball
player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league

Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that
its
playing with the big boys...

--
Debster

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> There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend
to
> lay low unless the discussion effects them directly.
> I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group
> that are very good with the interfaces to U2.
> From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for
> support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will
> always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these
> bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the
software
> slightly different.
> I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have
and
> migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database
> independent. Although making it database independent may be counter
> productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages.
>
> If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor
> is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the
> flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are
> your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP?
> They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other
packages
> together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you
> run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2.
> They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion,
> but it will take them years to make it work.
>
> Jeffrey Lettau
> ERP Systems Manager
> polkaudio
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM
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> Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor
>
> Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone
> within
> Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest
in
> U2
> which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have
> knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or
doesn't
> with U2 in
> general.
>
> Will Johnson
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