The PHB's base their decisions upon the information given them - if there dinosaur MV programmers (whatever age) go oooo xml tut tut not easy or web interface are you insane - then they look elsewhere !
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gerd Forthmann Sent: 24 April 2009 14:35 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: RE: [U2] Employment disaster Les, I didn't say ALL developers become dinosaurs (even if Jerry seems to think so) and PHBs are ALWAYS smart. The fact that you are in this group probably makes you an exception already. There are many reasons to stick with the same outfit for a long time; Family, friends, habit to name just a few. There might even be companies which really appreciate what you are doing and are great to work for. I don't know, I haven't found one yet. Being a dinosaur has nothing to do with age, it has to do with adaptability. Crocodiles are even older than dinosaurs, and they are still around and still a very successful species. And of course a subroutine is still a subroutine even if you call it a method! That is not the point. The point is, that it is not ALWAYS the obsession of PHBs with new technology and youth that leads to MV-systems being replaced with the likes of Microsoft, SAP or Oracle. In many cases it is the dinosaurs under the IT-people who are the reason for the wish or even need to change. And believe me or not, I had to work with quite a lot of them over the years - old ones and young ones alike. But you are right in a way, in every case it has been ignorant management who let them get away with that attitude in the first place; so it is always the fault of the PHBs after all. ;-) Aren't Fridays great? Mecki -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:44:43 +0100 > Von: "Les Hewkin" <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Betreff: RE: [U2] Employment disaster > Rubbish....I have worked for the same couple for more then 10 years. In > that time I have gone from only knowing Universe to developing systems > in VB6, JAVA, dot.net. > > It's not the developers that become dinosaurs it's the PHB's that think > anything new is better then anything that's gone before, and only some > one young can understand this new world. > > Have you spotted that most new ideas are old ideas with lots of big > words wrapped round them?? > > End of rant...boy am I glad it's Friday.... > > > Les Sherlock Hewkin > Project Manager > Group Financial Systems > I.T. Department > Ryehill House > Ryehill Close, > Lodge Way Industrial Estate, > Northampton. > NN5 7UA > > T 01604 592289 > M 07917 856195 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mecki > Foerthmann > Sent: 23 April 2009 17:42 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [U2] Employment disaster > > That may be right, but smart companies don't hire someone, who got stuck > somewhere and only knows that little niche, even if he knows it inside > out. > Smart employers hire people who bring new ideas, new skills and show the > ability to adapt to a new environment quickly. > Smart companies train their employees and let them constantly learn new > skills (and pay them decent salaries as well). > Dinosaurs became extinct, because they couldn't adapt to a rapidly > changing world. > That's why you call some people 'dinosaurs', not because they are over > 55 like myself. > > If you work for an end user company for more than 5 years, you most > likely already lost touch with what is going on in rest of the world. > After 20 years with the same outfit (probably also still running the > same software as 20 years ago) you become unemployable. > And in today's climate, no job is save. > > > jpb-u2ug wrote: > > I wouldn't say that too loudly there's a lot of potential employers on > > > this list. Most smart companies like to have someone that is willing > > to stick around long enough to learn their business logic. > > > > Jerry Banker > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mecki > > Foerthmann > > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:54 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster > > > > jpb-u2ug wrote: > > > >> <snip> > >> Oh and one of these days you are going to be sitting in the same seat > > >> talking about the good old days too, and someone is going to be > >> telling > >> > > you > > > >> that you're a dinosaur. 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