A few months back I googled for Peoplesoft lawsuit "higher ed" and found several articles. As an Oracle-based (and now Oracle-owned) ERP, it is also a terribly expensive product, especially compared to the UniData-based Ellucian/Datatel software. While people are still buying SAP, apparently, I don't think Peoplesoft has had (m)any sales in the US in quite some time. --dawn
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Oaks, Harold <harold.o...@clark.wa.gov> wrote: > It was a Company in Portland Oregon, here where I live. The "Shane > Company", a jeweler. Used to run a lot of local radio ads, then the ads > suddenly stopped. Turns out they went bankrupt. In bankruptcy > proceedings they mainly blamed the costs incurred by the SAP system > brought in to replace their in-house customized Universe-based system. > The SAP implementation was supposed to cost $8 million, but costs were > near $19 million when the company went out of business. I the > bankruptcy proceedings the company mainly blamed the SAP implementation. > After bankruptcy they resurfaced, which we know as the radio ads came > back on a few months ago after being off about a year. However - the > ads have stopped again. Perhaps they are just saving advertising > dollars for now? Or is it worse? > > But what really burns me up: I did a google search on this very thing 2 > days ago and came across a blogger who was defending SAP, his deal was > that the install failure was Shane Company's upper management's fault. > Grrrr!!! If any company agrees to pay $8 MILLION dollars for a system, > the vendor had better provide all the help needed to get the system up > and running successfully or that vendor has failed. > > How about you MV providers, do you ever help the customers do an > installation? Or do you take the money and let 'em do the best they > can? And if they fail, it's their fault?? > > I'm just rehashing what I've read. I'd really like to hear from one of > the programmers or analysts that worked for the Shane Company when all > this happened. Are you out there? > > An even more damaging a story, if possible, is the implementation of SAP > to serve the City of Portland (once again, my home city, but this time > it involves my tax dollars). I don't know too many details except that > it was supposed to unify 19 separate systems into one, and > implementation was to cost about $20 million (already outrageous), but > one attempt under an outside SAP implementation specialist failed, a > second implementer hired from way out of town also failed, finally SAP > themselves came in (where were they all this time?) and it seems finally > got the job done. Cost at this point: almost FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS > (actually about 48.6 million, but what's an extra 1.4 million dollars?) > I recently asked a high-up analyst in the police department how the SAP > implementation was doing, and they said, "Oh - OK I guess - there are > still some problems." > > Thanks for listening- > Harold Oaks > Sr. PA > Clark County, WA > > -----Original Message----- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Horacio > Pellegrino > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:16 PM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] File Sizing using concurrent option AND FAREWELL > > I remember a company that went bankrupt because they spent so much in > SAP ( > or was it Oracle? ) It was in the news. > > Anybody? > > HP > > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Dawn Wolthuis > <dw...@tincat-group.com>wrote: > >> I have only seen SAP implementations from a bit of a distance and >> through reading stories, but in every case, my understanding was that >> those in charge of the project were gone before SAP went live. I have >> seen systems analysts and programmers survive the project, with plenty >> of stories once they do. It sounds like a really brutal ERP >> installation. I have not kept current on this front enough to know >> that people were still selecting it, although a whole lot of people >> are still maintaining it. >> >> Best wishes, Scott, and thanks for taking the time to write up your >> notes regarding some of those in the industry who have helped you. >> Cheers! --dawn >> >> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Holt, Jake <jh...@samsill.com> wrote: >> > I thought no one actually ever finished implementing SAP? >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: >> u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of > iggch...@comcast.net >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:31 PM >> > To: U2 Users List >> > Subject: Re: [U2] File Sizing using concurrent option AND FAREWELL >> > >> > >> > >> > Don't worry, we're not going to implement anything that's going to > do >> damage. Well, unless you call the outrageous cost a damage :) >> > >> > >> > >> > Any thoughts on the CONCURRENT option? >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> > >> > From: "Wjhonson" <wjhon...@aol.com> >> > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 2:14:19 PM >> > Subject: Re: [U2] File Sizing using concurrent option AND FAREWELL >> > >> > >> > Well you used to be. After SAP sucks ten years out of the life of > your >> company, we'll see >> > >> > >> > >> > << I am being moved to our corporate office to join a eam of 10 who > will >> be learning, configuring, and customizing SAP to meet the eeds of the > best >> wine and spirits distribution company in the world. Ok, I'm >> > little partial... >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: iggchamp <iggch...@comcast.net> >> > To: U2 Users List <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> >> > Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 11:11 am >> > Subject: [U2] File Sizing using concurrent option AND FAREWELL >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi All, >> > >> > uv 10.2.7 / hpux 11.11 >> > >> > First things first (skip this section if you don't care for > goodbyes)... >> > >> > >> > I wanted to say thanks to all of the contributors to this list. I > have >> learned >> > tremendous amount from all of you. The passion that many of you > have >> for your ork is really inspiring. I am being moved to our corporate > office >> to join a eam of 10 who will be learning, configuring, and customizing > SAP >> to meet the eeds of the best wine and spirits distribution company in > the >> world. Ok, I'm >> > little partial... All of you deserve a great deal of credit for > my >> pportunity as you have all contributed to the things that I've been > able to >> ccomplish with my current system. Without the great system that we > here in >> llinois have developed, I'm sure that noone would trust in my > abilities to >> eliver in a different environment. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > blockquote> >> > >> > special thanks to a couple of people I have been blessed to work >> directly ith. I cannot recommend their services enough! >> > /blockquote> >> > >> > >> > blockquote> >> > >> > >> > ony Gravagno ( http://www.nebula-rnd.com/ ): When each division of > SWS >> was >> > sked to provide a web service that would interface our sales force >> automation >> > nits to our business systems, I was terrified. I had never had the >> opportunity >> > o work with web technology and, based on a heavy workload, did not > have >> the >> > ime to dive in at that time. I did take the web developer that > Universe >> > ffered for a spin. Pretty cool tool. While I was able to develop a > web >> > ervice that could work had I set the requirements myself, I could > not >> get it to >> > eet the requirements that corporate was developed. I even worked > with >> one of >> > he IBM engineers and he could not get it done. Keep in mind that I > have >> always >> > elieved in my abilities to provide solid solutions using the tools > that >> we have >> > n the multivalue world. It killed me to have to bring in a resource >> from the >> > utside. I swallowed my pride and turned to Tony. I was amazed at > the >> > ncredible service that he provided. He developed a service for me > that >> has >> > een rock solid. I am still amazed that I have never had to revisit > it >> after >> > ears of pounding by our sales force. This is plug, play, and forget >> about it >> > t its best! Not only that but our web service which provides > incredibly >> > owerful and complicated pricing blows the web service developed on > our >> > orporate as400 system out of the water from a performance > standpoint. >> Thanks >> > ony, you've made me look a lot better than I really am :) >> > /blockquote> >> > >> > >> > >> > eff Fitzerald ( http://www.fitzlong.com/ ): Your write-ups on file >> performance >> > ave really helped me to ensure that our system is always operating > at a >> high >> > evel. I wish I could get everyone around here to read it. I was > also >> > ortunate enough to have been allowed to use your file maintenance >> product - >> > AST. I can't tell you how much time that this saved me. When I > first >> arrived >> > t this company, all the files were dynamic. I made the mistake of >> converting >> > hem all to static because I believed the performance was much > better. I >> was >> > ight and the system was screaming. The reason I use "mistake" is > that it >> > brought me into a whole new world of ensuring the thousands of files >> used by >> > he application continued to perform by spending all my weekends > sizing. >> Yuck! >> > y allowing me to break away from managing the monster that I had > created >> by >> > sing your product, I had my weekends free again. Yay! Not only > that, >> your >> > roduct was doing a much better job than I ever did. Unfortunately, >> budgets >> > ere cut and I could no longer continue to use it. Thanks Jeff, > you >> helped me >> > o spend my time moving the company forward by developing great tools >> rather >> > han maintaining files. >> > /blockquote> >> > >> > >> > ILE SIZING question: >> > >> > As mentioned, I'm moving on. Before leaving I'm trying my best to > ease >> the >> > urden on my friends here in Illinois by automating many of the > things >> that I >> > ever got around to doing for myself . That being said, I put > together a >> > outine that will analyze our files and resize as necessary. It's > pretty >> slick >> > ut not near the software offered by fitzlong.com - refer to previous >> section. >> > >> > I would like to set it up to execute from cron so that noone has to >> babysit. >> > eing the scaredy cat that I am, I've always phantomed off the > process and >> > onitored over the weekend to ensure that noone is accessing the > files in >> > uestion. I put the CONCURRENT option in there as a safeguard but > never >> really >> > rusted it enough to turn the program loose without policing. >> > >> > My questions regarding CONCURRENT are these: >> > 1. Is the option trustworthy enough to use on a live system > while >> users >> > re possibly accessing the files? >> > 2. Are there any sort of performance issues? In other words, > would a >> file >> > hat takes 2 hours to size take 8 hours to size while users are >> accessing? The >> > outine keeps a history of various statistics including how much time > it >> took to >> > o its business. >> > 3. Does it slow the application that is accessing the file? >> > 4. Any other considerations? >> > >> > >> > hanks in advance for your response and for all of the tremendous > help >> that >> > ou've all been over the years. >> > >> > Scott Thompson >> > ______________________________________________ >> > 2-Users mailing list >> > 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org >> > ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > U2-Users mailing list >> > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >> > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >> > _______________________________________________ >> > U2-Users mailing list >> > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >> > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >> > _______________________________________________ >> > U2-Users mailing list >> > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >> > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >> >> >> >> -- >> Dawn M. 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